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    1. Jordan, thank you for sparing me the effort to say that exact same thing. Bill Clinton, Hillary, Barry Seal, CIA, etc., the whole rotten corrupt mess. Isn’t if “interesting” that Bubba and Poppy have become like father and son since (at least) 2001. Things that make you go “Hmmm.”

  2. Ronnie Wayne

    I thought I read years ago that Hillary was the first Woman to ever speak at the annual meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations but I found nothing about it in a quick search.
    But do take a minute to read this short article.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/hillary.htm

    Do you think she will do what she’s told to do by the CIA like he does for the CFR?

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Allen+Dulles+Council+on+Foreign+Relations&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=08c3a1e71dcf40699965a01ae639fc32&pq=allen+dulles+council+on+foreign+relations&sc=0-41&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=08c3a1e71dcf40699965a01ae639fc32

    “he became director…in 1927”

  3. Obama? Hillary? Pledges? Hahahaha!!!

    Are you serious? Both of these people are professional liars, you cannot be in the “government” unless you are a professional liar – that is in the job description of “Politician”.
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  4. On the campaign trail in 1992, Bill Clinton said that he did not know “whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or not,” and that he favored the release of all files relating to “the historic case.”

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/jfk/jfk00013.pdf

    What I find even more remarkable about this story is that Al Gore flat-out said he believed that Oswald had not acted alone, and that, based on the findings of the HSCA, “there probably was a conspiracy.”

    This was in 1992, before Gerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, and the ocean of anti-conspiracist rhetoric that accompanied the 50th anniversary. Try to imagine any presidential (or vice-presidential) candidate saying something like that now.

  5. I’d like to know what Obama and Bill Clinton discussed privately about the assassination when they visited JFK’s grave together on an anniversary a few years ago.

    And it would be a great service is someone with time on their hands would transcribe Hilliary’s response to this question.

    BK

    1. BK, I’ll take the time and try to have it posted by the end of the day. If someone else is already tackling it, no problem; comparison is always good.

    2. C-Span
      Campaign 2008
      Nashville, Tennessee
      Tennessee State University

      Democratic Candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton’s response to the question:

      “Will you pledge if elected president you will release all CIA files regarding John Kennedy’s assassination?“

      (Key: italics for audibly slight emphasis, bold for strong emphasis)

      HRC
      “You know, nobody’s ever asked me that before, and uh (laughs) that’s why I love doing this because I’ll tell you what,I will do whatever I can consistent with legitimate concerns about national security to release information because I think there are so many facts, or at least (pause) some kind of agreed upon conclusions about some serious issues in American history that should be out in the public, and I wanna do as much of that as I possibly can. I think that’s a very, it’s not just about that one specific issue, but more generally we need to get information out there. Now that we have the Internet we should be putting as much government information out as possible. You all deserve to know what your government has done and what your government is doing. I’ve even, ya know, uh (laughs) this may be a little radical, uh, but I’ve even suggested, uh, that we have bloggers inside government agencies so that people get, you know, real time information about what’s going on. So I’m going to try and have a very transparent, very open information flow in our government.

      1. Hillary is asked;
        “Will you pledge if elected president you will release all CIA files regarding John Kennedy’s assassination?“

        I take her answer as beautifully transcribed by Leslie Sharp, as a long winded “No”.

        A real positive answer is one word, “Yes”.
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  6. I have no idea what way Hillary Clinton would go in relation to the release of the JFK files if elected President. Obviously Bill Clinton was president when the major releases of documents on the assassination occurred in the 1990s. You might think that being a Democrat Hillary Clinton would be sympathetic to the release of more files on JFK as well. On the other hand, she has earned a reputation as being something of a hawk, certainly she seems in favour of regime change through military means. Did Hillary Clinton develop strong ties with the MIC when she was Secretary of State?

  7. The most revealing part of her response for me was that she deemed it necessary to stick in the ‘National Security’ rider.

    To me this shows the massive power of the CIA over Government and it tells me the Establishment (as represented by Hilary) do not see this as a truth issue, but as a political issue.

    It is of course a political issue if you think, as I do ; that one side of a political divide is culpable.

    1. I don’t pretend to know whether she even remembers this promise, much less will follow up on it–but people in this thread keep ignoring the fact that HRC said AND emphasized the word “legitimate” before “national security concerns.” The tone of the statement doesn’t come across at all as hedging, but actually implies the government has used illegitimate excuses to be non-transparent. Again–I would expect this kind of issue will drop down low on her priority list if she gets in, just as it did for her husband to a certain extent (he decided he accepted the official version after all, once he became official). But let’s not spin her statement here. She was trying, at least in 2008, to speak out for a transparent government. As we know, she isn’t the most transparent herself. But I believe she is in many ways in the tradition of JFK as a center-left politician. He didn’t have a perfect past either. She has gifts and might just be a very good president.

      1. To say she is a center-left politician would seem to ignore her far right wing foreign policy as a Senator and secretary of state.

        1. her far right wing foreign policy as a Senator and secretary of state.

          Compared to….? Nine months and one week after Ms. Cinton was seated in the U.S. Senate, the first woman
          representing the state of N.Y. to accomplish that, 9/11 resulted in more death and destruction in N.Y. than
          anywhere else. She is a politician. Her priority is to get elected. A good way to do that is to satisfy the
          majority of the constituency. As Secretary of State, did she carry out her’s, or Obama’s foreign policy, and
          is it really Obama’s? She served as Secretary of State during Obama’s first term. What do you expect Obama’s top
          priority was, after the first one hundred days of his first term? Getting re-elected….and then, there are those
          pesky republicans to have to consider.

          I agree with every criticism made by Nader and Sanders. I reluctantly accept that everything is influenced by everything else, the electorate is a right wing nut house resulting from money spent to influence them to be that way, and you have to win elections to have any influence, even though as Obama’s example shows, influence and authority are not the same thing. Hillary held her nose and attended prayer breakfasts regularly with republican senators. How was Obama’s attempted interaction with the legislature? It is certainly not his fault, but the results show he did not have much success dealing with them and did not attempt it, tirelessly.

          Ms. Clinton seems the most practical of a number of poor choices, it pains me to say.

          1. Puhlease! The Clintons killed the New Deal — what more does any sane person require!

          2. the electorate is a right wing nut house resulting from money spent to influence them to be that way,

            Thank you for revealing that the “egalitarian” left is really terribly elitist, and contemptuous of the American people.

          3. Yeah, Dr. McAdams, obviously I’m wrong headed and you’ll enlighten me to the error of my ways (politics).

            https://onthinktanks.org/articles/the-on-think-tanks-interview-tom-medvetz/
            ……..
            TB: Was democracy any better off before think tanks entered the scene en masse?

            TM: The high water mark of independent intellectual thought in the United States was probably the late 1950s and early 1960s. This was a period during which a network of relatively high profile public intellectuals was incubating, and in some cases exercising an influence on the policy debate. Soon afterwards, they got crowded out of the debate by the growing industry of ‘policy research’, which is anchored in the world of think tanks and commanded by a growing breed of self-styled policy experts….

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_think_tanks_in_the_United_States
            List of think tanks in the United States
            ……….
            http://bipartisanpolicy.org/ I”m sorry, I am not inspired by these names.:
            http://bipartisanpolicy.org/about/leadership/

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            Bruckner: Financial Opacity Default for USAID, NGOs | Devex
            https://www.devex.com/…/bruckner-financial-opacity-default-for-usaid-ngos-7…
            Devex
            Oct 1, 2010 – “Rejecting my appeal, USAID has confirmed that it continues to regard NGO project budgets as ‘privileged or confidential’ information, and will …

            Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs) | U.S. Agency for …
            https://www.usaid.gov/…/ngo
            United States Agency for International Development
            Nov 2, 2015 – Non-governmental organizations (NGOs) are critical change agents in promoting economic growth, human rights and social progress. USAID …

            http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/dec/29/secret-aid-worker-how-can-we-fight-inequality-if-we-live-as-privileged-expats
            Secret aid worker
            Tuesday 29 December 2015 05.58 EST
            ……
            People from the developed world usually feel uncomfortable with the idea of house help at first, but are quickly eased into the idea by convenience and the absence of washing machines and dishwashers. Security is the justification for massive 4×4 vehicles as the only means of transport – there goes the environmentally friendly convictions of former public transport commuters. The same concerns add security guards to the necessary house staff. If you have a garden you can easily have a staff of five people working in your house. Aid workers with children are likely to have a nanny and cook. Throw in a driver and you find yourself managing a 10-staff household….

            All Ages in Poverty:
            2014 Bronx County, NY Pop. 1,400,255 Percent in Poverty 31.5
            2014 Kings County, NY Pop. 2,595,041 Percent in Poverty 23.4
            2014 Mississppi State Pop. 2,895,486 Percent in Poverty 21.9 –
            GDP per capita $32,421 (1)
            2014 New Mexico State Pop. 2,045,506 Percent in Poverty 20.6
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            Germany per capita GDP $46,401
            Italy per capita GDP $35,463

            http://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/eastern-germany-experience-economic-miracle
            Did Eastern Germany Experience an Economic Miracle?
            By Ben Mauk , November 6, 2014
            …….
            The per-capita G.D.P. of Germany’s eastern states, as a whole, today ranks just behind Italy and Spain.

            (1) http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2014/gsp0614.htm

          4. “Thank you for revealing that the “egalitarian” left is really terribly elitist, and contemptuous of the American people.”

            Thank you for misframing the issue yet again “professor”:

            To point out and explain how the US population has been indoctrinated, and “dumbed down” by cognitive infiltration and propaganda is NOT “contemptuous of the American people.”

            It is contemptuous of the indoctrination, social engineering, and manipulation of the thinking of the American public by statist propagandists.

            Ever met any statist propagandists McAdams?
            Or do you just communicate with them by email?
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      2. Sunsteinian Agents of Cognitive Dissonance

        I would say what we see here on the Internet today is evidence of an organized group working to create cognitive dissonance on the Internet.

        The Art of War, Divide and Conquer is not new.

        Speaking of Cass Sunstein!

        Sunstein co-authored a 2008 paper with Adrian Vermeule, titled “Conspiracy Theories,” dealing with the risks and possible government responses to conspiracy theories resulting from “cascades” of faulty information within groups that may ultimately lead to violence. In this article they wrote, “The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government’s antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be.”

        >>They go on to propose that, “the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups”,[35] where they suggest, among other tactics, “Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action.”<<
        [35] They refer, several times, to groups that promote the view that the US Government was responsible or complicit in the September 11 attacks as "extremist groups."

        **Sunstein and Vermeule also analyze the practice of recruiting "nongovernmental officials"; they suggest that "government can supply these independent experts with information and perhaps prod them into action from behind the scenes," further warning that "too close a connection will be self-defeating if it is exposed."[35]

        Sunstein and Vermeule argue that the practice of enlisting non-government officials, "might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. **The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."**

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein

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  8. This is exactly why we should Rally This Year in the cities throughout the Nation for attention to the subject.
    A internet search for the exact release date results in this: “jfk files release date”;

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=jfk+files+release+date&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=47d52d6bcdd1438f9690a105406dd8ea&pq=jfk+files&sc=8-9&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&cvid=47d52d6bcdd1438f9690a105406dd8ea

    I.E it’s not a popular topic. How can we make it so? By gathering publicly. Not to protest, to Rally for Freedom of the Files. Ideally, some advance work should be done but we should all gather in our cities on October __ this year to call attention to the subject, before the election. Once again, Now, well before the election. Respected Researchers should be Hammering their media contacts, limited lists of supporters only go so far.
    Can we forgive our differences long enough to come together on one issue? Free The Files?
    Jeff, would yo be willing to lead such a Rally in Washington?
    Bill Kelly would you, in I think NYC? If I’m wrong, surely there is another reader in a city of that size. Bogman in Boston? I think Mr. Simpich is in San Francisco area, would he be willing to lend his name locally? Are not Dr. Scott and Jim DiEugenio from the LA/San Diego area?
    Would Leslie be willing to help in Dallas?
    I’ll try at the JFK Memorial in Fort Worth.
    Friends of Dawn Meredith in Austin?
    Tom, where do you live?
    Willy?

      1. Ronnie, if you were extended the ability to edit your comments after submitting them, this would cease to be a moderated discussion format. Would you want to have your name associated with a site with no registration requirement to post and no control of what is in posts/comments? It is pain enough to read them all once, sometimes.

        MaCrae of jfkassassinationforum relies on sign up restriction and says he will moderate only as a result of complaints from other members. The Ed Forum has a moderating team with four or more admins and at least as many moderators. A small number of commentors who are registered members can be overseen by one or two moderators, but consider how many George’s forum features, vs. the number of registered members?

  9. Liar, liar pants on fire…

    Real time bloggers within the government? Maybe, only for the purpose of really pumping out the disinformation… much more garbage to sift through. I don’t like dumpster diving when it’s not necessary.

  10. “I believe we should have bloggers inside our Governmental Agencies”
    Photon, John, Jean are you listening?

    1. RONNIE:

      Here are the links you previously requested on Jean Souetre, along with some others you may be interested in [the Mertz character has never been validated or verified as having existed, Newsday — then owned by a conservative member of the Guggenheim family — did an unsourced article on him, interviewing a woman who claimed to be his wife, but was never verified — the Newsday crew claimed they had a photo of Mertz, but later claimed it was stolen from their home office — rightwinger Brad O’Leary claimed to have hired a French journalist to interview Jean Souetre before his death, but again not verified, and O’Leary is related to the one individual actually named by Colby as belonging to the CIA’s Mockingbird Program, Jerry (Jeremiah) O’Leary — ergo, nothing to ever verify Mertz’s existence as other than a ruse, although the French office of the BND stated they’d never heard of him, just as French intelligence also stated this].

      http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60443&relPageId=1&search=632-796

      http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60443&search=632-796#relPageId=2&tab=page

      http://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=8997&search=632-796

      http://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=193&search=632-796

      Home invasion of Jesse Curry

      http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/officer-down-6401409

      The Warren Commission Report falsely claimed Lee Oswald rejected any legal representation, yet this news clip clearly shows Oswald pleading for legal representation:

      http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kdfw/projects/JFKvideo/video/jfk006.html

      1. “The Warren Commission Report falsely claimed Lee Oswald rejected any legal representation, yet this news clip clearly shows Oswald pleading for legal representation:

        http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kdfw/projects/JFKvideo/video/jfk006.html

        No, someone was lying but it wasn’t the WC. On Friday night Lee Oswald claimed he was denied legal representation even though he had already been told he could use the jail phone to call any lawyer he wanted. On Saturday he was visited by a Dallas attorney who told reporters that Oswald rejected his help because he wanted NY attorney John Abt:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-gySL-UR0

        Oswald tried to call Abt Friday night. He still had Abt’s phone number in his pocket when Ruby shot him:

        http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57768&search=abt_AND+%22telephone+number%22#relPageId=91&tab=page

        http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57768&relPageId=92&search=abt_AND “telephone number”

        1. Correction: Oswald tried to call Abt on Saturday the 23rd, not Friday.

          http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11839&relPageId=2&search=jail_AND telephone AND oswald

          http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11839&search=jail_AND+telephone+AND+oswald#relPageId=5&tab=page

          affidavits:
          http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11839&relPageId=2&search=jail_AND telephone AND oswald

          http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11839&search=jail_AND+telephone+AND+oswald#relPageId=19&tab=page

          http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11839&search=jail_AND+telephone+AND+oswald#relPageId=20&tab=page

        2. Did they or did they not question Oswald without legal representation present?

          During the time Oswald was questioned, were any notes kept, or recordings ever made of any of the interrogation of Oswald, without legal representation present?

          I present this as the ultimate non-parsed reply.

          1. “Did they or did they not question Oswald without legal representation present?”

            Yes. That’s not illegal even today if the person arrested talks willingly and doesn’t ask for a lawyer. The written reports indicate that Oswald was repeatedly advised of his right to an attorney (pp. 598-636 starting here):

            http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=622&tab=page

            “During the time Oswald was questioned, were any notes kept,”

            Yes. Notes made by Fritz and Hosty have been published and a few brief notes from Secret Service agent Sorrels have also turned up, according to this article from the Lancer site:

            http://jfklancer.com/pdf/haappanen-notes.pdf

            Unfortunately there’s no tape recording.

          2. Jean, I am surprised at you. Your claims appear to be unsupported by the testimony! IOW, what do you rely in to
            support what you describe in your comment since you include no description of contradictions…..

            Is it not accurate to write that Hosty’s testimony contradicts the survival of notes you described, and thus were
            uncorroborated by actual testimony from Hosty, as were “notes” attributed to Fritz by an “anonymous donor” in the 1990’s? If you were me, would you not challenge what you described about notes, in your comment?

            http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hosty.htm
            ……
            Mr. STERN. I show you a two-page document marked Commission No. 832 for identification. Can you identify that?
            Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir. This is an interview form which I made for my interview with Lee Harvey Oswald on the 22d of November 1963. It was dictated as the form will indicate, on the 23d of November 1963.
            Mr. STERN. Let me ask you there, Mr. Hosty, about your practice in reducing to formal form your notes of interviews. This happened the next day?
            Mr. HOSTY. Right.
            Mr. STERN. Is that faster than usual because of the circumstances?
            Mr. HOSTY. Because of the circumstances. We have to reduce them to writing within 5 days.
            Mr. STERN. In 5 days?
            Mr. HOSTY. Five working days.
            Mr. STERN. Did you retain the notes of this?
            Mr. HOSTY. No. After the interview is reduced to writing, I get it back and proofread it. My notes are then destroyed because this is the record.
            Mr. STERN. And in this particular instance did you destroy your notes of this?
            Mr. HOSTY. Yes, sir. …

            http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/fritz1.htm
            ………
            Mr. BALL. So Bookhout and Hosty came into your office?
            Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
            Mr. BALL. Was anyone else present?
            Mr. FRITZ. I don’t remember whether there was anyone else right at that time or not.
            Mr. BALL. Do you remember what you said to Oswald and what he said to you?
            Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place.
            ………..

            Mr. BALL. Did you have any tape recorder?
            Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I don’t have a tape recorder. We need one, if we had one at this time we could have handled these conversations far better.
            Mr. BALL. The Dallas Police Department doesn’t have one?
            Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I have requested one several times but so far they haven’t gotten me one.
            Mr. BALL. And you had quite a few interruptions, too, during the questioning, didn’t you?
            Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; we had quite a lot of interruptions. I wish we had had— under the circumstances, I don’t think there is much that could have been done because I saw it as it was there and I don’t think there was a lot that could have been done other than move that crowd out of there, but I think it would have been more apt to get a confession out of it or get more true facts from him if I could have got him to sit down and quietly talked with him. …

          3. “Your claims appear to be unsupported by the testimony! IOW, what do you rely in to
            support what you describe in your comment since you include no description of contradictions…..”

            The link I posted talks about the contradictions. In his book Hosty claimed he thought he’d destroyed his notes, which was official FBI policy, but later found that he hadn’t. Believe him or not, up to you, but he did publish notes in the book.

            “….“notes” attributed to Fritz by an “anonymous donor” in the 1990’s?”

            The term “anonymous donor” suggests that the ARRB didn’t know who provided Fritz’s papers, but they actually said they came from a “donor who wishes to remain anonymous,” which suggests that they did know.

            http://www.jfk-info.com/arrb1120.htm

            Besides, the donation included not only these notes but other documents that apparently did come from Fritz’s files, e.g., a 1974 letter addressed to him:

            https://www.maryferrell.org/php/showlist.php?docset=1101

            https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29110#relPageId=1&tab=page

            Fritz said he’d made notes but several days later, not during the interrogation:

            “Mr. FRITZ. I can remember the thing that I said to him and what he said to me, but I will have trouble telling you which period of questioning those questions were in because I kept no notes at the time, and these notes and things that I have made I would have to make several days later, and the questions may be in the wrong place.”

        3. So you are stating that Oswald lied during that clip, and none of the cops with him bothered to speak up, contradicting his claims?

          Now why do I find that difficult to accept?

        1. Certainly agree with your comment, simply that the ONE person Colby most definitely named was Jerry O’Leary.

          And David Talbot presents the case against Pearson/Anderson (in his book, The Devil’s Chessboard) much better than I could ever do so.

    1. Hey Val Z,
      I love the YSU penguin (with hat)!!.I am a proud YSU grad – 1977, agree with picket fence senario.

  11. Of course she hedged her answer with the hoary crutch of “national security”. Come Oct. 2017, when the law requires release of the documents, will she side with the CIA’s attempts to keep the lid on the sealed records for this so-called “national security” excuse, even though it’s more than a half-century later and nearly all the players have passed on?

    1. Dave
      May 1, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      “Of course she hedged her answer with the hoary crutch of “national security”. Come Oct. 2017, when the law requires release of the documents, will she side with the CIA’s attempts to keep the lid on the sealed records for this so-called “national security” excuse, even though it’s more than a half-century later and nearly all the players have passed on?”

      Just my guess but no doubt the CIA has a bag of Hillary’s misdeeds in their safe. They might use this to bring pressure on her to keep the records sealed.

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