David Talbot and Peter Dale Scott talk about ‘The American Deep State’

“America is ruled by a parallel system of power that operates above and in some ways below our system of democratic governance,” says David Talbot in this engaging conversation with University of California-Berkeley professor/poet/diplomat Peter Dale Scott.

Scott’s provocative conception of a “deep politics” and a “deep state” within the American democratic system, first articulated in the 1990s, has gained credibility over the years. After the revelations of Wikileaks and Edward Snowden, everyone who wants to can see that U.S. national security agencies have the latitude to pursue their chosen policies regardless of the decisions of the visible Madisonian government. The recent vote on ending NSA’s already implemented bulk collection procedures is the exception that prove the world.

Another example.: Michael Glennon’s perceptive book,  “National Security and Double Government,”  is an exercise in Deep State Studies by a Washington policymaker and a testament to the power of Scott’s insights.

As Talbot observes, “The Deep State is not a structure but a system, as difficult to define but as real as a weather system.”

22 comments

  1. Besides the idea of a Deep Political State, PDS has also contributed a number of other strategic concepts that helped us better understand deep political events including the “Negative Template” in which the archival records that are destroyed, missing and withheld should be the subject of particular historical research focus and the “Phase One” – Castro Cuban Commie conspiracy being surplanted by the “Phase Two” – Lone Nut cover stories in the assassination of JFK.

    It was only recently I learned that Von Steufenberg – tha architect of the Valkyrie plan to kill Hitler conceived his. Plot in two phases – one approved by Hitler and the other to blame the assassination on the SS – and it was that plan that was adapted by the CIA and Joint Chiefs to kill Castro – and presented to JFK for aproval before it was redirected to kill JFK at Dealey Plaza.

    Without PDS’s insightful analysis we would not be able to understand many of these complex and covert operations.

    BK

    • Bill Clarke says:

      If Scott is such a sharp fellow how come he makes such a mess as he did on NSAM 273?

      • The real problem is Bill, that Scott IS a sharp fellow, thus is is unlikely that he made any sort of “mess..on NSAM 273”.
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        • Bill Clarke says:

          Willy Whitten
          May 9, 2016 at 1:28 pm

          “The real problem is Bill, that Scott IS a sharp fellow, thus is is unlikely that he made any sort of “mess..on NSAM 273”.”

          Being kind here, Willy, let me just say that his work on NSAM 273 is still hotly debated.

          As Hillary would say, I misspoke a bit here. Of course Scott is a smart man. But remember “The Best and the Brightest”? Brilliant men that didn’t have a clue and they ended up very very wrong. It happens; even to smart fellows.

  2. Alan Dale says:

    Professor Scott is among the most inspirational and best informed academics of any time in our nation’s history. I sincerely regard all of his works to be essential in helping to guide us along the path of discovery and realization. His books, his poems, his articles should be required reading.

    Thanks for posting this.

  3. GM says:

    Very interesting video. I agree with a lot of what Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot say there. However, I don’t think there was any involvement by any elements of the American government in the 9/11 attacks. I think Al-Qaeda took advantage of a large degree of complacency and rivalry among the American intelligence services.

    In addition, I just cannot see why any persons within the US government could effectively turn a blind eye to the scale of the attacks, and the likely number of civilian casualties it would, and obviously did entail. I am aware of Operation Northwoods in the 1960s, but I would need a lot of evidence to be in anyway confident of ‘inside’ involvement in the 9/11 attacks.

    • Jordan says:

      GM:
      So just what is your understanding of the infamous “stand-down” order…?
      How do you explain the “put” orders placed on various airlines and financial institutions..?
      How do you explain the claim of Robert Baer regarding pre-knowledge of someone “cashing out”…?

      I could go on…and on…and on….

      • Antonio D'Antonio says:

        I’ll go on a bit more.
        V cuts found on some of the steel that was ordered removed way too early for a crime scene and being shipped to India and China to be melted down.
        NIST officials saying that no one had reported molten steel present under the rubble of the towers when it was in abundance and the fires that caused it burning for weeks after 9/11.
        Powers that be told not to fly on 9/11.
        FBI shutting down investigations dealing with some of the supposed high jackers already being in the US.
        Several military exercises being conducted on 9/11 at the same time the attacks were happening.
        Government officials saying that no one could have envisioned people using planes to fly into buildings as weapons when exercises for such a scenario were conducted at least a year before 9/11 and even on the day that it occurred.
        And so on and so forth.

    • sh says:

      There is a lot of evidence here, if you care to watch: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddz2mw2vaEg

    • Bill Clarke says:

      GM
      June 8, 2015 at 3:53 pm

      “I am aware of Operation Northwoods in the 1960s”.

      The fact that Northwoods was rejected shows that the system worked. It was a terrible plan, the president saw it as such and rejected it. Now I’ll be the first to say that it certainly does not work all the time. But this time it worked like it is supposed to.

      • “The fact that Northwoods was rejected shows that the system worked.”~BC

        The fact that Northwoods was developed shows how corrupt the Joint Chiefs were who developed it.

        The fact that it was rejected by a responsible president shows that there was a problem between the military and that president.
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        • Bill Clarke says:

          Willy Whitten
          May 8, 2016 at 9:31 pm

          “The fact that Northwoods was rejected shows that the system worked.”~BC

          “The fact that Northwoods was developed shows how corrupt the Joint Chiefs were who developed it.”

          Corrupt? Why would you use that word? Probably because the word shows up in many of the silly slogans of the early 1960s. And that is about as far as you’ve come with your studies here; the old slogans. It seems necessary to point out to you that Northwoods showed to what extreme lengths the military was willing to go to accomplish the presidents mission; get rid of Castro.

          “The fact that it was rejected by a responsible president shows that there was a problem between the military and that president.”

          You greatly over blow this. I’m sure plans are rejected weekly in Washington. It simply means they did not make the grade. Did Mongoose indicate a problem? No, I don”t think so.

          • “Corrupt? Why would you use that word? Probably because the word shows up in many of the silly slogans of the early 1960s.”~BC

            “Probably” Bill?

            I used the word ‘corrupt’ because it is the most gentle proper word to use in describing the military’s top staff that has stooped to utter madness,; in proposing terrorist methods.

            You have NO Proof, that getting rid of Castro was Kennedy’s mission. You fail to factor in that Kennedy was sending feelers out to attain a negotiated settlement with Castro.
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          • Bill Clarke says:

            Willy Whitten
            May 9, 2016 at 12:49 pm

            “Corrupt? Why would you use that word? Probably because the word shows up in many of the silly slogans of the early 1960s.”~BC

            “Probably” Bill?”

            “I used the word ‘corrupt’ because it is the most gentle proper word to use in describing the military’s top staff that has stooped to utter madness,; in proposing terrorist methods.”

            No time to be gentle Willy, call it what it was; “utter madness”. I’ve always been very disappointed that Northwoods ever left the Pentagon. It cost some of those men their career and rightly so considering the lack of judgment they showed here.

            “You have NO Proof, that getting rid of Castro was Kennedy’s mission.”

            Operation Mongoose doesn’t do it for you? It does for me and I’m betting you know the size and cost of this mostly unsuccessful operation.

            “You fail to factor in that Kennedy was sending feelers out to attain a negotiated settlement with Castro.”

            At roughly the same time he was preparing to overthrow Ngo Dinh Diem. Kinda takes the shine off talking to Castro I think. And I think it rather optimistic to believe JFK and Castro could have ever reached an agreement. Not saying it couldn’t happen but I think it a long shot.

          • Antonio D'Antonio says:

            Imagine if Northwoods was not rejected and was pulled off and initially bought by the public hook, line and sinker.
            Then the truth about it began to slip out little by little and people started to question the official story.
            I would imagine that people would be on websites about that event defending the official story and calling all those who were questioning it conspiracy theorists/CTers, buffs, you people and So on and so forth.
            It’s revelations like Operation Northwoods that make some people realize that the government will stoop down to levels that it’s defenders think are not possible or believable.

    • “I think Al-Qaeda took advantage of a large degree of complacency and rivalry among the American intelligence services”~GM

      Actually al Qaeda (the Base) was a subsidiary of Western Intelligence developed by Brzezinski during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
      As is ISIS today…the “controlled enemy” concept as old as Machiavelli’s THE PRINCE: Realpoitik.
      See:
      http://hybridrogue1.wordpress.com/2015/09/18/911-false-flag-psyop/

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      • Panama Papers Leak: Saudi King Funded Netanyahu’s Rise To Power
        Posted: 07 May 2016 09:00 PM PDT

        “In March 2015, King Salman has deposited eighty million dollars to support Netanyahu’s campaign via a Syrian-Spanish person named Mohamed Eyad Kayali. The money was deposited to a company’s account in British Virgin Islands owned by Teddy Sagi, an Israeli billionaire and businessman, who has allocated the money to fund the campaign Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu”, Herzog cited from a leaked Panama Paper.
        http://www.blacklistednews.com/Panama_Papers_Leak%3A_Saudi_King_Funded_Netanyahu%E2%80%99s_Rise_To_Power/51008/0/38/38/Y/M.html
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        Hah, so there it is PROOF of the collusion between Saudi Arabia and Israel!
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        • theNewDanger says:

          Like most all “leaks”, the Panama Papers is a PSYOP to garner concensus for a global tax grid, which will make the totalitarian world governance structure (architected by and benefitting most the Marxist-in-Free-Market-wool oiligarchs) that Rockefeller & Co wrote about in ’61 that much more likely. Do not chomp down hard on the bit of these obviously planned leaks. Only a select few journalists have access to a tiny fraction of the Panama Papers, just as we have still only received a very small fraction of the Snowden documentation being gatekept by Omidyar’s little minions Greenwald & friends now making the “limited hangout” their expertise over at The Intercept.

          In also noting the staggered, heavily redacted release of JFK documents, do you see a pattern here with officially released top secret documents or some “most massive leak ever” exposé? You are being played.

          https://youtu.be/A3uCs7ebHTI

  4. Ronnie Wayne says:

    This is an excellent video. Please listen to it.
    To have been a student of his in person would have been a privilege.
    His work is unequaled at this point in History. JMO.

  5. Jack McCarthy says:

    After PDS article. “From Dallas to Watergate” appeared in Ramparts, we brought him to speak at FSU. That article changed the narrative of Dallas and Watergate. The students and faculty, including two former CIA Employees loved him. The man is an original thinker pure and simple.

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