John McAdams – March 7
Isn’t it at all odd that Bush is naming two guys in 1975 who were two of three meeting to discuss Bush’s political future,…..?
So you think this is sinister? You could find something equally “sinister” about essentially everybody who had any importance at all in Texas politics in that era.
Has it ever occurred to you that if I took all your posts, and made a list of all the people whom you think have a sinister connection to somebody else you think is sinister, the list would come to several thousand people?
Bill Pierce – March 15
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IMO the *ultra-elaborate theories* play right into the hands of WC fabulists who can easily mock the extraordinary number of farfetched variables and sinister people that those theories entail.Tom S asks:
“Who are you presenting to, in your mind’s eye?”(1) As this forum plainly illustrates, WC fundamentalists desperately defend every little detail of the official theory no matter how absurd or unnecessary. There’s no question that they project a narrow-minded, consensus view of the assassination. Not one of them strays outside the box. Ever. They aren’t persuadable. The only reason to engage them is to make sure they are not the lone voices defining the parameters of the case.
(2) For some conspiracists, fifty years of microscopic research has created an imaginary world of impossibly convoluted plots involving almost everyone in America including the entire government and MSM. [It is correct to say the cover-up has been monolithic.] I suggest conspiracists review Fonzi’s ‘The Last Investigation’, to understand the simplicity of an actual plot.
IMO the *ultra-elaborate theories* play right into the hands of WC fabulists who can easily mock the extraordinary number of farfetched variables and sinister people that those theories entail. Regarding such theories, conspiracists should exercise extreme caution and skepticism. No matter how intricate the plot, the most important point of the assassination event is this: the cover-up began immediately.
(3) What was it about the assassination – and Oswald – that caused the civilian government to eliminate the possibility of conspiracy before investigating the crime? Was the government protecting the Mafia? Texas oil tycoons? A random bunch of nutwingers? Castro? LBJ? Answer the question and you’ll know who orchestrated the assassination. And you’ll know why the permanent power structure will cover it up forever.
Or, read along with the words the words.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paul+mccartney+give+ireland+back+to+the+irish&&view=detail&mid=3BA282956BAF5D50C03F3BA282956BAF5D50C03F&rvsmid=025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12&FORM=VDQVAP&fsscr=0
To be un politically correct, but fairly:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=john+lennon+give+peace+a+chance&view=detail&mid=3B2D25EB4933BAFAF3803B2D25EB4933BAFAF380&FORM=VIRE
Being from Liverpool, called ‘the Ireland of England,’ the Beatles knew the plight of the Irish well. And both John and Paul had Irish lineage.
Thought you had linked to Lennon’s Irish freedom song:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ISZLymQnbJM
I don’t know anywhere else to try and post this. In Honor of JFK’s Irish heritage and his commitance to anti colonialism and Saint Patrick’s day I’d like to post this link to Sir Paul McCartney.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paul+mccartney+give+ireland+back+to+the+irish&&view=detail&mid=025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12&rvsmid=025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12025B0E92CA1CC7FC0A12&FORM=VDMCNL&fsscr=0
It’s a point sorely missed by MSM and historians alike that Ireland’s 800-year history surviving the tender mercies of English colonialism deeply informed JFK’s foreign policy worldview approach.
And he loved singing along to a good Irish rebel song as well!
Goebbels would be proud of the degree to which CIA/FBI/SS/Enforcement Agency/Military/Government/Powerful Interest’s/Mass Media would allow a fix to take place and in so doing falsify history for so long.
Propagandist’s like McAdams aka Paul Nolan like to think they are in the vanguard of mass disinformation being dispersed along the information highway. He is likely proud of the extent to which he along with his cohorts compromise genuine debate in many forums.
What must be a constant source of frustration for elements such as the above mentioned and the organisations intent on hiding the truth on matters of history, is that a great body of the world population remain unconvinced by the official rhetoric and by the conclusions arrived at by the WC.
The very fact that so much information is willfully being kept away from wider awareness for decades in and of itself suggests widespread sinister forces were and possibly are in play.
Bingo. Well said Mariano. FREETHEFILES.
I guess some might label me as pessimistic or even paranoid but I disagree with the word “possibly” in your post.
“The very fact that so much information is willfully being kept away from wider awareness for decades in and of itself suggests widespread sinister forces were and possibly are in play.”~DB
The sinister forces have become more powerful with each passing decade. They have a literal stranglehold on political power. It is called “Full Spectrum Dominance” it is now a global panoptic maximum security state.
This is what the widest awareness reveals. It is hidden in plain sight.
Look around yourselves you do not make a move without being surveilled, every word you utter or write is recorded. It is utterly naïve to wish otherwise.
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“But the MC tapes told a different story. Someone was obviously trying to pin it on KGB but not very well. And so the govt shut the investigation down that night of the assassination. And the one entity that continues to refuse to answer to the basic contradictions, anomalies and outright felonies in this case is the CIA.”
Bogman March 15
And yes with regards to the Katzenback Memo and the facts on LHO being “too obvious” and pointing to a Russian connection, it was certainly possible the stage was being set for “the blue ribbon panel known as the Warren Commission”.
It is definitely a fact that so many many people fell in line just after the smoke cleared on the Grassy Knoll.
It is disgusting that so many many people decided the truth could not be ever known.
We also know the intention was that it was a secret to be kept forever.
“We also know the intention was that it was a secret to be kept forever.
Heartbreaking though it is to believe, that’s the only reasonable conclusion a citizen studying this case can make, IMO.
Great question Tom and IMO the reason for the cover up was brilliant planning in that it picked the perfect patsy.
A patsy that would track back to LHO dealings with the FBI and CIA a . It was the ultimate blackmail . There was no way either agency could admit their dealings with LHO even if these agencies had little to do with the actual assaination ( rather small rogue elements ) and both those agencies were the primary investigative teams ( again brilliant planning )
I’m unclear on the actual intent of the LHO Mexico City impersonation , it could have been done to back track to Russia / Cuba for blame to effect some sort of retaliatory response , it could have been to further blackmail the CIA given the follow up mole hunt paper , including the FBI given the anti FPCC operations going ons. IMO if you discover who orchestrated the LHO impersonation , you are directly into the assassination operational group / planning , which is why we have the tapes were erased story despite several pieces of evidence that they certainly were not ( in writing no less lol )
It’s noteworthy the CIA admitting to a cover up last year involved Castro assassination plots and CIA monitoring of LHO . IMO a deep investigation into those areas would backtrack to the assassins .
The impersonation IMO is the smoking gun and solving that riddle will provide great clarity into the who and how . We even have our 14 minute gap which is hilarious IMO .
On a separate note , there must be some valuable LHO information in the remaining 2017 files as no way would the CIA admit to a cover up unless they were forced to . Anyway their admission was as news as this country has , it’s full value probably isn’t understood today but once technology solves this crime in a few decades , this report will be ground breaking for historians and future teaching
Great post, there, DB. Sounds like reality to me.
November 25/1963 Deputy Attorney General Katzenback to Bill Moyers in the Johnson White House. “It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now.
The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.
Speculation about Oswald’s motivation ought to be cut off, and we should have some basis for rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy or (as the Iron Curtain press is saying) a right–wing conspiracy to blame it on the Communists. Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat — too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced.
The matter has been handled thus far with neither dignity nor conviction. Facts have been mixed with rumour and speculation. We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police when our President is murdered”.
It was certainly thought by some that it could have been a Communist Plot. It was as Katzenback said “the facts on Oswald seem too pat – too obvious……………..Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife etc”.
“It was certainly thought by some that it could have been a Communist Plot.”~MDG
Is that so MDG? Or was it that those you are quoting were setting the stage for the blue ribbon cover-up crew called the Warren Commission.
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It was a very hot time during the Cold War.
It may have been a way for the USSR to make sure WW3 didn’t happen.
The U S couldnt really retaliate without starting WW3.
This is something that would have to be kept secret perhaps forever.
I’m not saying this happened but it is a scenario that also should be looked at more.
Is this what Angleton meant when he said “I’ll wait for the judgement of history”.
This possibility doesnt excuse the Cover Up but would explain why so many people did what they did.
It was mentioned on the AF1 Tapes. LHO was a defector to the Soviet Union.
It was just a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And there were KGB double agents found within the CIA in the 60s.
The same cast of characters who wrote Operation Northwoods were frightened of going to war with the USSR? I don’t see it.
The KGB figured out what the CIA was up to and told Richard Case Nagel to kill Oswald. He shot the bank instead. Case closed. Again.
Oh. But what happened after that?
When you look at the on-the-scene evidence, how it was “handled”, how it seemed to either multiply, subtract or disappear, depending upon what evidence was/wasn’t needed, and whether it was in the hands of the DPD, or the FBI.
Consider the Secret Service “theft of the body” from Dallas, the first reports by doctors of frontal shots to JFK’S throat and temple and Connelly stating he was hit by a separate bullet. The DRE leaking Oswald’s “defection.” The film evidence suppressed by LIFE MAGAZINE. CE-399 being found on a random stretcher, but with several chain-of custody issues. The rifle being identified as a Mauser, a 30.06, and a Mannlicher Carcano. Ruby, mob-connected, shoots and kills Oswald while he is surrounded by a phalanx of DPD officers. Oswald’s print magically appears on the rifle after he is dead. Pictures of Oswald with a gun, a rifle, and socialist/communist newspapers, on the cover of LIFE (owned by pro-CIA right winger). Forget Oswald and the Warren Omission. What remains leads you exactly to the door of the conspirators, shooters, and cover-up players. THEY’RE ALL FROM “THE SAME MILIEU.”
So the Secret Service was part of the conspiracy, right?
But such assessments by ER doctors are not at all reliable:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound4.txt
I’m not aware of any Dallas doctor who said he was hit in the temple.
He was clear that he was hit by the second bullet. He thought Kennedy was hit by the first bullet, but didn’t know that. It’s now clear that the Single Bullet was the second shot, consistent with Connally’s testimony.
They wanted to blame Communists for the assassination. Does that surprise you?
Jeff Morley notes that the DRE asked the CIA about publishing this, and were told to hold off. But they went rogue.
From Morley:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/morley6.htm
But we have the film now, and it doesn’t show a conspiracy.
Not really:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm#chain
But we know it was a Mannlicher-Carcano:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/day1.jpg
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/day2.jpg
Not “magically” at all. Day told an FBI guy on the day of the assassination he had found a print, and was going to lift it:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/day_palmprint.gif
And how does it matter who owned LIFE? The photos are the photos.
“And how does it matter who owned LIFE? The photos are the photos.”~McAdams
This is quite precious “professor’. It is getting to the point that I can’t read anything you write without laughing.
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Well, let’s take stock. Aside from a prominent Life magazine executive being Eisenhower’s chief of Psychological Warfare, C.D. Jackson (see- http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13700 )
Robert E. Webster’s settling in to his pre-retirement years in the employ of Maitland Edey’s son,
(see – http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/13/nyregion/maitland-a-edey-former-editor-of-time-life-books-dies-at-82.html ) and
(see- http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19991114/NEWS03/311149995 “He was employed by Edey & Duff of as a boat builder until he retired.”
Billy Joe Lord being harassed by Henry Hurt, sent by Maitland Edey’s old boss’s son,
Editor-in-chief Thompson of Reader’s Digest, Paul Mandel and the spook history of Time-Life, (see-
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20209&p=274232 by Tom Scully) Luce’s brother-in-law
and former Time-Life Publisher Maurice “Tex” Moore caught up in the TFX scandal investigation days before the assassination, (see- http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18364&p=238310 by Tom Scully) and the actual purchaser of the Z-Film, making up a story out of whole cloth in commemoration of the 50th anniversary, (see – http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,12834.msg410025.html#msg410025 by Tom Scully)
….I understand why “nothing sinister, here,” and “photos are photos,” shows up like clockwork.
continued….
Continued from my last comment…..
A Good Life – Page 130
books.google.com/books?isbn=1439128855
Ben Bradlee – 2011 –
…The offer came from Frank Pace, then Secretary of the Army, former Budget Bureau Director, and later the young president of General Dynamics. He had never heard of me, but he was married to Wistar Janney’s sister, and one night at the Janneys’ he mentioned he was…
https://www.google.c…urce=newspapers
Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors
Hartford Courant – Apr 25, 1960
Frank Pace Jr., chairman ot the board and chief executive officer ot General Dynamics … A joint announcement from Time Inc. Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and. ……
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IJtFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d7wMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6863,3052138&dq=was-the-source-of-these-reasonably-strong-indications&hl=en
Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics
Hartford Courant – Nov 21, 1963
WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate probers produced evidence Wednesday that a top executive of the General Dynamics Corp., claimed “reasonably strong indications” far in advance that the firm would win the huge, disputed TFX warplane… tract. Frank Pace, who has since resigned, was named as the….The Pentagon estimates the TFX project will cost between $5 billion and $7.5 billion. This would make it the largest in Pentagon history .
I The subcommittee produced a! document dated “July 1961” in! which Pace, top official of Gen-; eral Dynamics’ Fort Worth, \ Tex., division, told its top management: “There are reasonably strong indications that Fort Worth’s proposed -: ration offers the only approach] that can satisfy both Air Force and Navy requirements” for (or the TFX. ! McClellan said this was “a, month and seven days” before the Pentagon had even complet-1 ed a statement of design re-! ” Where,” he demanded, “was the source of these reasonably strong indications?…
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9900E7DD173FE63ABC4E53DFB566838C679EDE
Luce Aides: ‘No Drastic Changes’; 3 He Picked to Run Empire…
New York Times – Mar 6, 1967
Luce last Monday, the day before he died in Phoenix, Ariz. … Paul G. Hoffman, Samuel Meek, Maurice T. Moore and Frank Pace Jr. ‘ Mr. Luce, who was also on …..
I hate to ask you questions, Tom, because I know I’m not going to get a coherent answer . . . .
But that do you think all the stuff you posted proves?
Dr. McAdams, it proves unequivocally that you work at being incurious. I asked John Simkin this same
question…. what arrangement have you made to edit, correct, or update your vast trove of articles and
other information on your website? Can you direct me to the last five updated or edited pages (links, please)
of your website. The research results yield ongoing, new discoveries. Your pages, as is your mindset,
appear stagnant.
I’ll wait to read the updating of this page on your site, of the spelling of Machann’s name, and of his curious
association with Stephen B. Lemann…..
Your effect is more troubling than Simkin’s because you’ve succeeded in achieving approved wikipedia “reliable source” cite status. The result is a highly negative impact on JFK assassination related wikipedia article reliability.
Several years ago I had occasion to ask Dick Stolley to have lunch and talk about his acuisition of the Zapruder film on behalf of “Life” magazine. The exchanges prior to our lunch were as disconcerting as our face-to-face encounter. We talked back and forth about dates and venues and eventually settled on both, and he asked, “how will I know you … will you be wearing a green hat?” Now, I don’t know if there are many women with a penchant for green hats but I certainly didn’t have one nor did I want one . . . except it happened that the week prior to this conversation with Stolley, I wanted a straw hat and the only color available in the local store in the preferred style was a really unattractive green. I bought it anyway, planning to come up with some kind of camouflage. When Stolley asked the question, I was reasonably disconcerted but I decided to keep the luncheon appointment anyway as I was now more curious than ever about the “Life” magazine involvement with the Zapruder film. A couple of pints into the meal, he asked, “so what’s your theory?” From there, I introduced several lines of (innocuous) inquiry including a group of Dallasites all with peripheral (seeming) relationships to the events as they occurred leading up to and following the assassination… job interviews with Oswald, architects,Texas Theater connections, radio station links, the justice of the peace that arraigned Oswald, etc. This set of individuals happened to share the same last surname, purely ironic, so I referred to them jokingly as “All Those Harrell’s.” It was essentially a test of Stolley’s understanding of Dallas in 1963. He listened, we laughed at the synchronicity, then we talked a bit more about the milieu that was Dallas, the attitudes, the business and social fraternities, the fundamental structure, the secrecy, the racism, the religiosity, the hatred of ‘the other’, the influence of military contractors etc. etc. The conversation came to a close with Stolley’s almost line-by-line recitation of the CIA document in question … and as he spoke he deliberately clasped his fingers in front of his mouth, eyes scanning the pub. I was taken aback and went silent.
https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/how-the-new-yorker-echoes-cia-talking-points-on-jfk/#comments
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We said our polite good byes and have not talked since .. not unusual in that he hardly knew me and vice versa, but nevertheless. He is a nice man, but nice is not always good.
PS: he did divert from the CIA script to a degree, and I suspect that was because I had shared that I lived a good deal of my life in Texas, had worked for the Hunt family and had friendships with people related to the power structure of the city and state. (don’t misread …. I was a worker bee) He asked (it was actually a statement) “What about LBJ, don’t you think he was involved?” I ran through my theory, that people in Texas who knew LBJ knew that he was only as good as his last gig, no generations of familial power behind him, only business fraternities and symbiotic interests all of which could vanish with the blink of an eye (and they in fact did) and certainly LBJ had no power to ensure the cover-up for five decades – he could only move things along as he was directed. (in retrospect, I should have paid attention to Stolley’s reaction to that last bit!) It was simplistic, but my guest didn’t pursue the issue. He did pull the last rabbit out of the hat with “if so many were involved as you intimate, how could they all have kept a secret.” I said something about hive mentality, uncritical conformity and loss of a sense of individuality and personal accountability in our society, and I think I muttered something about the Lone Star State.
OK, so if a left-wing magazine published the same photos, that would be OK.
But since LIFE did, that’s terrible.
But regardless of who published them, the originals of the photos sit in the National Archives.
They would show the exact same thing if nobody published them.
I just finished proving the establishment was remarkably interwined with Time-Life, Inc., and your reaction is a whine????
Thank goodness there was not intent to completely control access generally (public viewing) for the first dozen years, while publishing selective teaser “snippets” spun to a consistent theme, an agenda….”nothing sinister here, folk, move along!” But the fact remains, the POTUS’s head was blown off, into his wife’s lap, at high noon, in broad daylight in a Texas town and the accused got what was coming to him, less than 48 hours later, chained to a cop, in the cop’s shop, surrounded by cops, except through a small passage just large enough for a man known to the police who had haunted the police hallways and even the hospital the president lay dying in, in the day and a half before the accused was eliminated.
As Chief Curry said,
Do you detect anything misleading in that quote of Curry, Dr. McAdams, or perhaps, in this?
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20209&p=274293
Tom Scully – Posted 22 May 2013 – 05:55 PM
No one else is to be scolded that this is Paul W Mandel’s legacy. His name is on it forever. It was written less than two weeks after President Kennedy was killed and it was published by an extremely compromised corporation that had purchased the Zapruder film and the rights to it with the intent to suppress most of the film and to interpret with almost no accountability or challenge, the information in the film frames.
LIFE – Dec 6, 1963 – Page 53
Vol. 55, No. 23 – Magazine