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John McAdams – March 7

Isn’t it at all odd that Bush is naming two guys in 1975 who were two of three meeting to discuss Bush’s political future,…..?

So you think this is sinister? You could find something equally “sinister” about essentially everybody who had any importance at all in Texas politics in that era.

Has it ever occurred to you that if I took all your posts, and made a list of all the people whom you think have a sinister connection to somebody else you think is sinister, the list would come to several thousand people?

Bill Pierce – March 15

(2) ……
IMO the *ultra-elaborate theories* play right into the hands of WC fabulists who can easily mock the extraordinary number of farfetched variables and sinister people that those theories entail.

Tom S asks:
“Who are you presenting to, in your mind’s eye?”

(1) As this forum plainly illustrates, WC fundamentalists desperately defend every little detail of the official theory no matter how absurd or unnecessary. There’s no question that they project a narrow-minded, consensus view of the assassination. Not one of them strays outside the box. Ever. They aren’t persuadable. The only reason to engage them is to make sure they are not the lone voices defining the parameters of the case.

(2) For some conspiracists, fifty years of microscopic research has created an imaginary world of impossibly convoluted plots involving almost everyone in America including the entire government and MSM. [It is correct to say the cover-up has been monolithic.] I suggest conspiracists review Fonzi’s ‘The Last Investigation’, to understand the simplicity of an actual plot.

IMO the *ultra-elaborate theories* play right into the hands of WC fabulists who can easily mock the extraordinary number of farfetched variables and sinister people that those theories entail. Regarding such theories, conspiracists should exercise extreme caution and skepticism. No matter how intricate the plot, the most important point of the assassination event is this: the cover-up began immediately.

(3) What was it about the assassination – and Oswald – that caused the civilian government to eliminate the possibility of conspiracy before investigating the crime? Was the government protecting the Mafia? Texas oil tycoons? A random bunch of nutwingers? Castro? LBJ? Answer the question and you’ll know who orchestrated the assassination. And you’ll know why the permanent power structure will cover it up forever.

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      1. Bogman

        Being from Liverpool, called ‘the Ireland of England,’ the Beatles knew the plight of the Irish well. And both John and Paul had Irish lineage.

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    1. Bogman

      It’s a point sorely missed by MSM and historians alike that Ireland’s 800-year history surviving the tender mercies of English colonialism deeply informed JFK’s foreign policy worldview approach.

      And he loved singing along to a good Irish rebel song as well!

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  3. Mariano

    Goebbels would be proud of the degree to which CIA/FBI/SS/Enforcement Agency/Military/Government/Powerful Interest’s/Mass Media would allow a fix to take place and in so doing falsify history for so long.

    Propagandist’s like McAdams aka Paul Nolan like to think they are in the vanguard of mass disinformation being dispersed along the information highway. He is likely proud of the extent to which he along with his cohorts compromise genuine debate in many forums.

    What must be a constant source of frustration for elements such as the above mentioned and the organisations intent on hiding the truth on matters of history, is that a great body of the world population remain unconvinced by the official rhetoric and by the conclusions arrived at by the WC.

    The very fact that so much information is willfully being kept away from wider awareness for decades in and of itself suggests widespread sinister forces were and possibly are in play.

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      1. Ronnie Wayne

        I guess some might label me as pessimistic or even paranoid but I disagree with the word “possibly” in your post.

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    2. Willy Whitten

      “The very fact that so much information is willfully being kept away from wider awareness for decades in and of itself suggests widespread sinister forces were and possibly are in play.”~DB

      The sinister forces have become more powerful with each passing decade. They have a literal stranglehold on political power. It is called “Full Spectrum Dominance” it is now a global panoptic maximum security state.
      This is what the widest awareness reveals. It is hidden in plain sight.
      Look around yourselves you do not make a move without being surveilled, every word you utter or write is recorded. It is utterly naïve to wish otherwise.
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  4. MDG

    “But the MC tapes told a different story. Someone was obviously trying to pin it on KGB but not very well. And so the govt shut the investigation down that night of the assassination. And the one entity that continues to refuse to answer to the basic contradictions, anomalies and outright felonies in this case is the CIA.”
    Bogman March 15

    And yes with regards to the Katzenback Memo and the facts on LHO being “too obvious” and pointing to a Russian connection, it was certainly possible the stage was being set for “the blue ribbon panel known as the Warren Commission”.

    It is definitely a fact that so many many people fell in line just after the smoke cleared on the Grassy Knoll.

    It is disgusting that so many many people decided the truth could not be ever known.

    We also know the intention was that it was a secret to be kept forever.

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    1. Bogman

      “We also know the intention was that it was a secret to be kept forever.

      Heartbreaking though it is to believe, that’s the only reasonable conclusion a citizen studying this case can make, IMO.

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  5. DB

    Great question Tom and IMO the reason for the cover up was brilliant planning in that it picked the perfect patsy.

    A patsy that would track back to LHO dealings with the FBI and CIA a . It was the ultimate blackmail . There was no way either agency could admit their dealings with LHO even if these agencies had little to do with the actual assaination ( rather small rogue elements ) and both those agencies were the primary investigative teams ( again brilliant planning )

    I’m unclear on the actual intent of the LHO Mexico City impersonation , it could have been done to back track to Russia / Cuba for blame to effect some sort of retaliatory response , it could have been to further blackmail the CIA given the follow up mole hunt paper , including the FBI given the anti FPCC operations going ons. IMO if you discover who orchestrated the LHO impersonation , you are directly into the assassination operational group / planning , which is why we have the tapes were erased story despite several pieces of evidence that they certainly were not ( in writing no less lol )

    It’s noteworthy the CIA admitting to a cover up last year involved Castro assassination plots and CIA monitoring of LHO . IMO a deep investigation into those areas would backtrack to the assassins .

    The impersonation IMO is the smoking gun and solving that riddle will provide great clarity into the who and how . We even have our 14 minute gap which is hilarious IMO .

    On a separate note , there must be some valuable LHO information in the remaining 2017 files as no way would the CIA admit to a cover up unless they were forced to . Anyway their admission was as news as this country has , it’s full value probably isn’t understood today but once technology solves this crime in a few decades , this report will be ground breaking for historians and future teaching

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  6. MDG

    November 25/1963 Deputy Attorney General Katzenback to Bill Moyers in the Johnson White House. “It is important that all of the facts surrounding President Kennedy’s Assassination be made public in a way which will satisfy people in the United States and abroad that all the facts have been told and that a statement to this effect be made now.
    The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial.
    Speculation about Oswald’s motivation ought to be cut off, and we should have some basis for rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy or (as the Iron Curtain press is saying) a right–wing conspiracy to blame it on the Communists. Unfortunately the facts on Oswald seem about too pat — too obvious (Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife, etc.). The Dallas police have put out statements on the Communist conspiracy theory, and it was they who were in charge when he was shot and thus silenced.
    The matter has been handled thus far with neither dignity nor conviction. Facts have been mixed with rumour and speculation. We can scarcely let the world see us totally in the image of the Dallas police when our President is murdered”.

    It was certainly thought by some that it could have been a Communist Plot. It was as Katzenback said “the facts on Oswald seem too pat – too obvious……………..Marxist, Cuba, Russian wife etc”.

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    1. Willy Whitten

      “It was certainly thought by some that it could have been a Communist Plot.”~MDG

      Is that so MDG? Or was it that those you are quoting were setting the stage for the blue ribbon cover-up crew called the Warren Commission.
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  7. MDG

    It was a very hot time during the Cold War.

    It may have been a way for the USSR to make sure WW3 didn’t happen.

    The U S couldnt really retaliate without starting WW3.

    This is something that would have to be kept secret perhaps forever.

    I’m not saying this happened but it is a scenario that also should be looked at more.

    Is this what Angleton meant when he said “I’ll wait for the judgement of history”.

    This possibility doesnt excuse the Cover Up but would explain why so many people did what they did.

    It was mentioned on the AF1 Tapes. LHO was a defector to the Soviet Union.

    It was just a year after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    And there were KGB double agents found within the CIA in the 60s.

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    1. Bogman

      The same cast of characters who wrote Operation Northwoods were frightened of going to war with the USSR? I don’t see it.

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    2. Ronnie Wayne

      The KGB figured out what the CIA was up to and told Richard Case Nagel to kill Oswald. He shot the bank instead. Case closed. Again.

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  8. kennedy63

    When you look at the on-the-scene evidence, how it was “handled”, how it seemed to either multiply, subtract or disappear, depending upon what evidence was/wasn’t needed, and whether it was in the hands of the DPD, or the FBI.
    Consider the Secret Service “theft of the body” from Dallas, the first reports by doctors of frontal shots to JFK’S throat and temple and Connelly stating he was hit by a separate bullet. The DRE leaking Oswald’s “defection.” The film evidence suppressed by LIFE MAGAZINE. CE-399 being found on a random stretcher, but with several chain-of custody issues. The rifle being identified as a Mauser, a 30.06, and a Mannlicher Carcano. Ruby, mob-connected, shoots and kills Oswald while he is surrounded by a phalanx of DPD officers. Oswald’s print magically appears on the rifle after he is dead. Pictures of Oswald with a gun, a rifle, and socialist/communist newspapers, on the cover of LIFE (owned by pro-CIA right winger). Forget Oswald and the Warren Omission. What remains leads you exactly to the door of the conspirators, shooters, and cover-up players. THEY’RE ALL FROM “THE SAME MILIEU.”

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    1. John McAdams

      Consider the Secret Service “theft of the body” from Dallas,

      So the Secret Service was part of the conspiracy, right?

      the first reports by doctors of frontal shots to JFK’S throat

      But such assessments by ER doctors are not at all reliable:

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/wound4.txt

      and temple

      I’m not aware of any Dallas doctor who said he was hit in the temple.

      and Connelly stating he was hit by a separate bullet.

      He was clear that he was hit by the second bullet. He thought Kennedy was hit by the first bullet, but didn’t know that. It’s now clear that the Single Bullet was the second shot, consistent with Connally’s testimony.

      The DRE leaking Oswald’s “defection.”

      They wanted to blame Communists for the assassination. Does that surprise you?

      Jeff Morley notes that the DRE asked the CIA about publishing this, and were told to hold off. But they went rogue.

      From Morley:

      Kennedy died in a hail of gunfire. Ninety minutes later, a suspect, Lee Oswald, was arrested. Not long after that Joannides received a call from the Cuban students saying they knew all about the accused assassin. He told them not to go public until he could check with Washington. They went public anyway.

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/morley6.htm

      The film evidence suppressed by LIFE MAGAZINE.

      But we have the film now, and it doesn’t show a conspiracy.

      CE-399 being found on a random stretcher, but with several chain-of custody issues.

      Not really:

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm#chain

      The rifle being identified as a Mauser, a 30.06, and a Mannlicher Carcano.

      But we know it was a Mannlicher-Carcano:

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/day1.jpg

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/day2.jpg

      Ruby, mob-connected, shoots and kills Oswald while he is surrounded by a phalanx of DPD officers. Oswald’s print magically appears on the rifle after he is dead.

      Not “magically” at all. Day told an FBI guy on the day of the assassination he had found a print, and was going to lift it:

      http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/images/day_palmprint.gif

      Pictures of Oswald with a gun, a rifle, and socialist/communist newspapers, on the cover of LIFE (owned by pro-CIA right winger).

      And how does it matter who owned LIFE? The photos are the photos.

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      1. Willy Whitten

        “And how does it matter who owned LIFE? The photos are the photos.”~McAdams

        This is quite precious “professor’. It is getting to the point that I can’t read anything you write without laughing.
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        1. Tom S.

          This is quite precious “professor’. It is getting to the point that I can’t read anything you write without laughing.

          Well, let’s take stock. Aside from a prominent Life magazine executive being Eisenhower’s chief of Psychological Warfare, C.D. Jackson (see- http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13700 )
          Robert E. Webster’s settling in to his pre-retirement years in the employ of Maitland Edey’s son,
          (see – http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/13/nyregion/maitland-a-edey-former-editor-of-time-life-books-dies-at-82.html ) and
          (see- http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19991114/NEWS03/311149995 “He was employed by Edey & Duff of as a boat builder until he retired.”
          Billy Joe Lord being harassed by Henry Hurt, sent by Maitland Edey’s old boss’s son,
          Editor-in-chief Thompson of Reader’s Digest, Paul Mandel and the spook history of Time-Life, (see-
          http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20209&p=274232 by Tom Scully) Luce’s brother-in-law
          and former Time-Life Publisher Maurice “Tex” Moore caught up in the TFX scandal investigation days before the assassination, (see- http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18364&p=238310 by Tom Scully) and the actual purchaser of the Z-Film, making up a story out of whole cloth in commemoration of the 50th anniversary, (see – http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,12834.msg410025.html#msg410025 by Tom Scully)

          http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/santa-fean-recalls-day-he-secured-rights-to-video-of/article_460e34d9-ecf0-51fb-b410-9fef8cb94bfb.html
          ……
          “I realized what an unbelievable piece of film this was,” Stolley said. “I had no idea what else was available, but I knew Life had to have it.”

          After they watched the film, Stolley and the grim-faced Secret Service agents left the room without saying anything to one another…..
          Stolley passed the time talking to Zapruder’s assistant, Lillian Rogers. She was from Taylorsville, a small town in southern Illinois. He knew the town…. During his last year on the job, Taylorsville had won the state football championship. “I raved about the team, and she beamed,” Stolley said….

          ….I understand why “nothing sinister, here,” and “photos are photos,” shows up like clockwork.

          continued….

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          1. Tom S.

            Continued from my last comment…..

            https://www.google.com/search?biw=1696&bih=761&tbm=bks&q=col+%22edward+k+thompson%22+wwII+air+force+magazine+edey&oq=col+%22edward+k+thompson%22+wwII+air+force+magazine+edey&gs_l=serp.3…12961.14666.0.15003.5.5.0.0.0.0.72.295.5.5.0….0…1c.1.64.serp..0.0.0.3cRuodV8efI
            Impact: the Army Air Forces’ confidential picture history …
            https://books.google.com/books?id=G37xAAAAMAAJ
            Air Force Historical Foundation – 1980 – ‎Snippet view – ‎More editions
            the Army Air Forces’ confidential picture history of World War II : in eight books, declassified and now published for the … was brought to life in April, 1943, by Mr. (then major, later lieutenant colonel) Edward K. Thompson of LIFE magazine. He was succeeded in June, 1944, by a group of three editors: Lt. Col. Robert E. Girvin, formerly of the San Francisco CHRONICLE; Major Maitland A. Edey and Capt…

            A Good Life – Page 130
            books.google.com/books?isbn=1439128855
            Ben Bradlee – 2011 –
            …The offer came from Frank Pace, then Secretary of the Army, former Budget Bureau Director, and later the young president of General Dynamics. He had never heard of me, but he was married to Wistar Janney’s sister, and one night at the Janneys’ he mentioned he was…

            https://www.google.c…urce=newspapers
            Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors
            ‎Hartford Courant – Apr 25, 1960
            Frank Pace Jr., chairman ot the board and chief executive officer ot General Dynamics … A joint announcement from Time Inc. Editor-in-Chief Henry R. Luce and. ……

            https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IJtFAAAAIBAJ&sjid=d7wMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6863,3052138&dq=was-the-source-of-these-reasonably-strong-indications&hl=en
            Evidence Implies Order Expected by Dynamics
            ‎Hartford Courant – Nov 21, 1963
            WASHINGTON (AP) — Senate probers produced evidence Wednesday that a top executive of the General Dynamics Corp., claimed “reasonably strong indications” far in advance that the firm would win the huge, disputed TFX warplane… tract. Frank Pace, who has since resigned, was named as the….The Pentagon estimates the TFX project will cost between $5 billion and $7.5 billion. This would make it the largest in Pentagon history .
            I The subcommittee produced a! document dated “July 1961” in! which Pace, top official of Gen-; eral Dynamics’ Fort Worth, \ Tex., division, told its top management: “There are reasonably strong indications that Fort Worth’s proposed -: ration offers the only approach] that can satisfy both Air Force and Navy requirements” for (or the TFX. ! McClellan said this was “a, month and seven days” before the Pentagon had even complet-1 ed a statement of design re-! ” Where,” he demanded, “was the source of these reasonably strong indications?…

            http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9900E7DD173FE63ABC4E53DFB566838C679EDE
            Luce Aides: ‘No Drastic Changes’; 3 He Picked to Run Empire…
            ‎New York Times – Mar 6, 1967
            Luce last Monday, the day before he died in Phoenix, Ariz. … Paul G. Hoffman, Samuel Meek, Maurice T. Moore and Frank Pace Jr. ‘ Mr. Luce, who was also on …..

          2. John McAdams

            I hate to ask you questions, Tom, because I know I’m not going to get a coherent answer . . . .

            But that do you think all the stuff you posted proves?

          3. Tom S.

            But that do you think all the stuff you posted proves?

            Dr. McAdams, it proves unequivocally that you work at being incurious. I asked John Simkin this same
            question…. what arrangement have you made to edit, correct, or update your vast trove of articles and
            other information on your website? Can you direct me to the last five updated or edited pages (links, please)
            of your website. The research results yield ongoing, new discoveries. Your pages, as is your mindset,
            appear stagnant.

            I’ll wait to read the updating of this page on your site, of the spelling of Machann’s name, and of his curious
            association with Stephen B. Lemann…..

            http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Odio.htm …..
            Odio talked to a priest named Walter J. McChann, and he reported that “she insisted that the man she identified as Oswald had a mustache, or at least he had not shaved recently; that he was ‘disgusting looking’ because of his dark beard and unkempt appearance.”[10] That’s not Lee either. But these accounts are second-hand, so perhaps the “witness problem” is not with Odio, but with the witnesses to what Odio said…..


            Your effect is more troubling than Simkin’s because you’ve succeeded in achieving approved wikipedia “reliable source” cite status. The result is a highly negative impact on JFK assassination related wikipedia article reliability.

          4. leslie sharp

            Several years ago I had occasion to ask Dick Stolley to have lunch and talk about his acuisition of the Zapruder film on behalf of “Life” magazine. The exchanges prior to our lunch were as disconcerting as our face-to-face encounter. We talked back and forth about dates and venues and eventually settled on both, and he asked, “how will I know you … will you be wearing a green hat?” Now, I don’t know if there are many women with a penchant for green hats but I certainly didn’t have one nor did I want one . . . except it happened that the week prior to this conversation with Stolley, I wanted a straw hat and the only color available in the local store in the preferred style was a really unattractive green. I bought it anyway, planning to come up with some kind of camouflage. When Stolley asked the question, I was reasonably disconcerted but I decided to keep the luncheon appointment anyway as I was now more curious than ever about the “Life” magazine involvement with the Zapruder film. A couple of pints into the meal, he asked, “so what’s your theory?” From there, I introduced several lines of (innocuous) inquiry including a group of Dallasites all with peripheral (seeming) relationships to the events as they occurred leading up to and following the assassination… job interviews with Oswald, architects,Texas Theater connections, radio station links, the justice of the peace that arraigned Oswald, etc. This set of individuals happened to share the same last surname, purely ironic, so I referred to them jokingly as “All Those Harrell’s.” It was essentially a test of Stolley’s understanding of Dallas in 1963. He listened, we laughed at the synchronicity, then we talked a bit more about the milieu that was Dallas, the attitudes, the business and social fraternities, the fundamental structure, the secrecy, the racism, the religiosity, the hatred of ‘the other’, the influence of military contractors etc. etc. The conversation came to a close with Stolley’s almost line-by-line recitation of the CIA document in question … and as he spoke he deliberately clasped his fingers in front of his mouth, eyes scanning the pub. I was taken aback and went silent.

            https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/how-the-new-yorker-echoes-cia-talking-points-on-jfk/#comments

          5. leslie sharp

            (cont.)
            We said our polite good byes and have not talked since .. not unusual in that he hardly knew me and vice versa, but nevertheless. He is a nice man, but nice is not always good.

            PS: he did divert from the CIA script to a degree, and I suspect that was because I had shared that I lived a good deal of my life in Texas, had worked for the Hunt family and had friendships with people related to the power structure of the city and state. (don’t misread …. I was a worker bee) He asked (it was actually a statement) “What about LBJ, don’t you think he was involved?” I ran through my theory, that people in Texas who knew LBJ knew that he was only as good as his last gig, no generations of familial power behind him, only business fraternities and symbiotic interests all of which could vanish with the blink of an eye (and they in fact did) and certainly LBJ had no power to ensure the cover-up for five decades – he could only move things along as he was directed. (in retrospect, I should have paid attention to Stolley’s reaction to that last bit!) It was simplistic, but my guest didn’t pursue the issue. He did pull the last rabbit out of the hat with “if so many were involved as you intimate, how could they all have kept a secret.” I said something about hive mentality, uncritical conformity and loss of a sense of individuality and personal accountability in our society, and I think I muttered something about the Lone Star State.

        2. John McAdams

          OK, so if a left-wing magazine published the same photos, that would be OK.

          But since LIFE did, that’s terrible.

          But regardless of who published them, the originals of the photos sit in the National Archives.

          They would show the exact same thing if nobody published them.

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          1. Tom S.

            OK, so if a left-wing magazine published the same photos, that would be OK.

            But since LIFE did, that’s terrible.

            But regardless of who published them, the originals of the photos sit in the National Archives.

            They would show the exact same thing if nobody published them.

            I just finished proving the establishment was remarkably interwined with Time-Life, Inc., and your reaction is a whine????
            Thank goodness there was not intent to completely control access generally (public viewing) for the first dozen years, while publishing selective teaser “snippets” spun to a consistent theme, an agenda….”nothing sinister here, folk, move along!” But the fact remains, the POTUS’s head was blown off, into his wife’s lap, at high noon, in broad daylight in a Texas town and the accused got what was coming to him, less than 48 hours later, chained to a cop, in the cop’s shop, surrounded by cops, except through a small passage just large enough for a man known to the police who had haunted the police hallways and even the hospital the president lay dying in, in the day and a half before the accused was eliminated.

            As Chief Curry said,

            http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/curry1.htm
            …..Mr. RANKIN – Did you find out where Jack Ruby was during this showup?
            Mr. CURRY – I didn’t know Jack Ruby. Actually the first time I saw Jack Ruby to know Jack Ruby was in a bond hearing or I believe it was a bond hearing, and I recognized him sitting at counsel’s table.
            The impression has been given that a great many-of the Dallas Police Department knew Jack Ruby.
            Mr. RANKIN – What is the fact in that regard?
            Mr. CURRY – The fact of that as far as I know there are a very small percentage of the Dallas Police Department that knows Jack Ruby.
            Mr. RANKIN – Did you make an inquiry to find out?
            Mr. CURRY – Yes; I did, yes, sir. And so far as I know most of the men who knew Jack Ruby are men who were assigned to the vice squad of the police department or who had worked the radio patrol district where he had places and in the course—-
            Mr. RANKIN – How many men would that be?
            Mr. CURRY – I am guessing, perhaps 25 men. This is merely a guess on my part.
            Mr. RANKIN – How large is your police force?
            Mr. CURRY – …I would say 1,175 people. I would say less, I believe less than 50 people knew him. From what I have found out since then that he is the type that if he saw a policeman, or he came to his place of business he would probably run up and make himself acquainted with him…..

            Do you detect anything misleading in that quote of Curry, Dr. McAdams, or perhaps, in this?
            http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20209&p=274293
            Tom Scully – Posted 22 May 2013 – 05:55 PM

            No one else is to be scolded that this is Paul W Mandel’s legacy. His name is on it forever. It was written less than two weeks after President Kennedy was killed and it was published by an extremely compromised corporation that had purchased the Zapruder film and the rights to it with the intent to suppress most of the film and to interpret with almost no accountability or challenge, the information in the film frames.
            LIFE – Dec 6, 1963 – Page 53
            Vol. 55, No. 23 – Magazine

  • leslie sharp

    ‘But regardless of who published them, the originals of the photos sit in the National Archives. . . . They would show the exact same thing if nobody published them.’ — John McAdams

    The issue is “Life” magazine’s withholding of the full series for years; the issue is how “Life” came into possession of the Zapruder film in the first place; the issue is that staff from “Life” magazine sequestered Marina and Marguerite Oswald in the Adolphus Hotel and then the Executive Inn; the issue is the role of Dick Stolley of “Life” magazine in the negotiations for the footage on behalf of “Life” via stringer Patsy Swank whose husband was the lead architect for independent oilman Sid Richardson who entertained FDR at his Matagorda Island enclave as early as the 1940’s when LBJ was designated as the next best politician to further the oil agenda on behalf of Richardson, Murchison and Wynne; the issue is Claire Booth Luce and the Luce’s role in the American Security Council whose board included Patrick Frawley who funded Edward Butler who instigated the NOLA drama with Lee Oswald and who established the propaganda machine INCA with funding from Sid Richardson’s buddy Clint Murchison.

    etc. etc. etc.

    You’re right John, Nothing To See Here … move along.

  • John McAdams

    The issue is “Life” magazine’s withholding of the full series for years;

    But frames were published in LIFE, and in the Warren Commission volumes, and high quality slides of each frame were available at the National Archives.

    So if you think this was sinister, you have to deal with the fact that we have the entire film now, and it doesn’t show conspiracy.

    the issue is how “Life” came into possession of the Zapruder film in the first place;

    This is sinister how?

    It was the historical document of the century, and a journalistic outlet wanted it.

    And yes, you think half the population of the country is sinister. But the only thing that makes them sinister, in your mind, is that they are connected with other people you think are sinister.

    But you can’t connect any of the people you think are sinister with any plot.

  • Tom S.

    The issue is “Life” magazine’s withholding of the full series for years;

    But frames were published in LIFE, and in the Warren Commission volumes, and high quality slides of each frame were available at the National Archives.

    So if you think this was sinister, you have to deal with the fact that we have the entire film now, and it doesn’t show conspiracy.

    the issue is how “Life” came into possession of the Zapruder film in the first place;

    This is sinister how?

    It was the historical document of the century, and a journalistic outlet wanted it.

    And yes, you think half the population of the country is sinister. But the only thing that makes them sinister, in your mind, is that they are connected with other people you think are sinister.

    But you can’t connect any of the people you think are sinister with any plot.

    https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/on-this-date/dec-6-1963-life-magazine-addresses-jfk-rumors-with-bad-reporting/
    ….
    Life Magazine had earlier purchased rights to Abraham Zapruder’s famous home movie of the murder in Dealey Plaza, and in a November 29 issue had shown frames from that film in black-and-white. Now the Mandel article tried to reconcile the film with Oswald’s guilt….

  • John McAdams

    I just finished proving the establishment was remarkably intertwined with Time-Life, Inc., and your reaction is a whine????

    No, I ask you for some evidence that anything you posted suggests a conspiracy.

    And you can’t. In your mind, everybody is sinister, who just connecting a bunch of people to other people you think is sinister is evidence.

    But that’s just your mind. It’s not evidence.

  • Tom S.

    No, I ask you for some evidence that anything you posted suggests a conspiracy.

    And you can’t. In your mind, everybody is sinister, who just connecting a bunch of people to other people you think is sinister is evidence.

    But that’s just your mind. It’s not evidence.

    The TFX inquiry’s record indicates a gross conflict of interests of Luce’s brother-in-law and former Time-Life publisher
    Maurice Moore and his law partner, Roswell Gilpatric. Time-Life board member Frank Pace was appointed by Luce soon after
    trading 16 percent of General Dynamics in exchange for the business of Chicago organized crime figure, Henry Crown.
    The TFX inquiry in congress was a direct result of the lobbying of Pace and Crown resulting in the award of the most
    expensive military procurement contract in the history of the world. Instead of reporting about that investigation, Time-Life
    was immersed in it, through Maurice Moore and Frank Pace.
    Who do you suppose your audience is for your constant beating of your, “you think everything is sinister,” drum?
    Haven’t all of those who have heeded your “nothing to see here, folks, move along now,” directive, already returned to
    their comfortable couches?

  • John McAdams

    Instead of reporting about that investigation, Time-Life was immersed in it, through Maurice Moore and Frank Pace.

    Assuming this is true, how is it related to the Kennedy assassination?

  • Tom S.

    Instead of reporting about that investigation, Time-Life was immersed in it, through Maurice Moore and Frank Pace.

    Assuming this is true, how is it related to the Kennedy assassination?

    Your question indicates in your “black or white” filtering, the only suspects actually
    ever arrested for murder would be ones lingering over the murder victim holding a smoking gun or a bloody knife as CSI were roping off the crime scene.

    One would have to be dead inside, not to grasp the intrigue and be awestruck!:

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6250&p=247462
    Tom Scully – Posted 27 February 2012 – 09:39 PM
    I think it is a mistake to approach the Time-Life “purchase” of the Zapruder film and the TFX scandal as unrelated events. TFX was at the time the most expensive single government contract in the history of the world. Frank Pace and Maurice T. Moore were two of the most trusted Henry Luce associates. It was and is a fact it is impossible to determine the reach and the influence of LCN in our American society, so maybe it was just easier to ignore LCN taint on the FBI, DOJ, Supreme Court, WC, the U.S. presidency, the business community, and of defense contractors….
    ….The lawyers and judges, from the ones who worked for Gen. Dyn., Cravath, Time-Life, Henry Crown, to the ones, in a number of cases, the same ones, who served on/worked for the Defense Department, the Warren Commission, and who directed the purchase and the concealment of the Zapruder film, showed not the slightest concern for professional ethics or of avoiding the appearance of impropriety. They obstructed justice to the point that your theory is not even as good as mine. I can present a well supported circumstantial case. It doesn’t even matter much if I believe in it, it is damning.

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6250&p=247468
    Bill Kelly – Posted 28 February 2012 – 12:31 AM
    Thanks Tom, This alone is worth the price of admission.
    I’d like to read this story if anybody can access it.
    ……
    Frank Pace Jr. Joins Time Inc. Directors
    The HartfordCourant (1923-1984) – Hartford, Conn.
    Date: Apr 25, 1960
    Start Page:2
    Pages:1
    Text Word Count: 145
    http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/courant/doc/552094161.html

    April 22, 1960 – WSJ

    The changes at Time, Inc. announced in April, 1960 were the final, major management changes during the rest of Luce’s lifetime:
    NY Times 06 March, 1967 :

  • John McAdams

    Who do you suppose your audience is for your constant beating of your, “you think everything is sinister,” drum? Haven’t all of those who have heeded your “nothing to see here, folks, move along now,” directive, already returned to their comfortable couches?

    So you are whining about what? A journalistic conflict of interest?

    What does that have to do with the JFK assassination?

  • leslie sharp

    ‘So you are whining about what? A journalistic conflict of interest? What does that have to do with the JFK assassination?’

    Or better said John, you are defending the conflict of interest between Time-Life and the TFX investigation.

    Frank Pace, former Secretary of the Army was at the same time of the events related to the TFX scandal, serving on an elite board of the obscure (except to major investors) and little exposed investment house called Nation-Wide Securities. He served on that board with retired Director of Naval Operations Robert B. Carney who at the time was the CEO of Bath Iron Works that eventually morphed with Henry Crown’s General Dynamics. Carney was also on the board of Bell Helicopter with Dallas banker, Pearson Beverly Garrett (more on Garret at a later date). Nation-Wide Securities board included former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Allen Dulles as representative of the Sullivan-Cromwell law firm. Do you think that sometime between 1960 and the week of November 18, 1963, these board members – Pace, Carney and Dulles might have discussed in private, without the incumbrance of a note keeper, the progress of the TFX investigation? Nation-Wide board also intermittently included Maxwell Taylor, former Chief of Staff of the US Army and later Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who had been in Mexico City with MX Light & Power (replacing Bush political fundraiser William H. Draper, Jr.) before returning to join the Kennedy administration. If ever there was a small cabal of Military-Industrialists this is it and Frank Pace, board of Time-Life when the Z film was purchased sits right in the middle either pulling strings or being pulled by strings handled by Time-Life owner publisher Henry Luce and his wife Clair Booth – individuals who persistently evaded serious scrutiny during the investigation. note: the board of Nation-Wide included a representative of Barron’s Weekly, owned by the Bancroft family – Mary Bancroft paramour of Allen Dulles.

  • John McAdams

    One would have to be dead inside, not to grasp the intrigue and be awestruck!:

    So any time you feel a sense of “intrigue” you think you have discovered people who conspired to kill Kennedy.

  • Tom S.

    So any time you feel a sense of “intrigue” you think you have discovered people who conspired to kill Kennedy.

    Yeah, when the POTUS is suddenly gunned down in the Texas noon hour and the buyers and spinners of the most compelling evidence of the
    crime also happen to be several of the targets just days before of a US Senate committee investigation of the award of the most expensive
    military procurement contract in world history, and the former chairman of the awardee of said expensive contract is a board member of
    the buyer of the compelling piece of evidence and the brother-in-law of the chairman of the board of the evidence purchaser is a member
    of the board of the contractor under investigation, and the head of the executive committee and principle stockholder of the contractor
    is described and documented as in the top tier of the Chicago mob and has handpicked a lieutenant too close to lifelong friends of Jack Ruby,
    I wonder if awestruck is an underwhelming description.

    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15323&p=180439
    Tom Scully – Posted 24 January 2010 – 03:09 PM
    ……
    I am attracted both by the symmetry, everyone mentioned below, and Tom Clark, seemingly in bed together, or at most, separate by only one degree. And, for whatever it comes to mean, while the people included below went about their scheming, primarily in Chicago, you have Jackie and the kids “weekending” at Byfield Jr.’s mama’s house, most weekends from Dec., 1960 trhu March, 1963. The last act was McNamara marrying Byfield’s widow in 2002…..

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=queen+seat+pat+hoy+at+his+farm&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    Kup’s Chicago‎ – Page 53
    by Irv Kupcinet – Chicago (Ill.) – 1962 – 286 pages
    “But I’m a hotelman,” Hoy protested. “I know nothing about mixing concrete.” “Maybe not,” said Crown. “But without being a cook you’ve done an excellent job of running the Pump Room.” Yielding to Crown’s persuasion, Hoy began a new career at the age of…..

    http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=136523&relPageId=7
    Sid Korshak is instructed to contact Pat Hoy, General Dynamics V.P. to contact the Hilton and instruct employees there not to cooperate with the investigation.:

  • leslie sharp

    Other executives and members of the board of then Ft. Worth based General Dynamics as the TFX scandal surfaced included WP Gullander who would soon leave GD to become the president of the National Association of Manufacturers whose own board included the face of the John Birch Society, Robert Welch, and RW Stoddard of the First National Bank of Boston (where Oliver Curme launched his career in finance btw); and RF Windfohr, Ft. Worth independent oilman who was also on the board of the National Petroleum Council with HQ at 1625 K. Street, Washington DC, the address of former Chief of Naval Operations Robert Carney of Bath Iron Works (later General Dynamics), Bell Helicopter and Nation-Wide Securities with Allen Dulles and Maxwell Taylor.

    Is Frank Pace’s role with Time-Life and General Dynamics germane to any of this? I think it is reasonable to consider the possibility that the Zapruder film fell into the wrong hands and at the expense of a credible investigation into the assassination. I also think it is unconscionable that “Life” magazine manipulated Marguerite and Marina Oswald over that weekend – I don’t care how big a ‘scoop’ they felt they were entitled to. Some dynamics are sacrosanct and 11.22.63 was one.

  • John McAdams

    Yeah, when the POTUS is suddenly gunned down in the Texas noon hour and the buyers and spinners of the most compelling evidence of the crime also happen to be several of the targets just days before of a US Senate committee investigation of the award of the most expensive military procurement contract in world history, and the former chairman of the awardee of said expensive contract is a board member of the buyer of the compelling piece of evidence and the brother-in-law of the chairman of the board of the evidence purchaser is a member of the board of the contractor under investigation, and the head of the executive committee and principle stockholder of the contractor is described and documented as in the top tier of the Chicago mob and has handpicked a lieutenant too close to lifelong friends of Jack Ruby, I wonder if awestruck is an underwhelming description.

    If I didn’t know better, I would think this was something from The Onion.

  • Willy Whitten

    “If I didn’t know better, I would think this was something from The Onion.”~McAdams

    The “professor” again attempts to make a clever quip to avoid addressing the substance of what Tom (as well as others) are saying.

    This pretense of incomprehension by McAdams is quaint and transparent. And he blooms into orgasmic tirades at any intimation on our part that he is utterly disingenuous, and playing word-games, yes, MIND GAMES here on this forum.
    \\][//

  • John McAdams

    This pretense of incomprehension by McAdams is quaint and transparent. And he blooms into orgasmic tirades at any intimation on our part that he is utterly disingenuous, and playing word-games, yes, MIND GAMES here on this forum.

    It’s obvious your huffing and puffing and fussing and fuming about people who disagree with you is what you turn to when you get your ass kicked on actual evidence.

  • Willy Whitten

    “It’s obvious your huffing and puffing and fussing and fuming about people who disagree with you is what you turn to when you get your ass kicked on actual evidence.”~McAdams

    Yes certainly “professor” “onions” are evidence of….??? Perhaps evidence of something floating within your calcified pineal gland.
    \\][//

  • Bogman

    That LIFE cover… I often wonder what the American public’s reaction would’ve been if that cover instead had these headlines:

    “CIA Was Using Mob to Kill Castro”

    “CIA-Funded Group Gave Oswald Pro-Castro Publicity in NO”

    “Oswald Met with KGB Assassinations Expert in MC”

    “Oswald’s Voice Doesn’t Match Recording in MC”

    “Press Release Called for Investigation of Oswald – 3 Months Prior to Assassination”

    “Bill Harvey, Head of CIA’s Assassination Program, Hated JFK and Loved the Mob”

    “Carcano Bullets Came from Lot Purchased by CIA”

    “Virulent Anti-Communist Beat JFK’s Corpse to DC with Oswald Pro-Castro Media Coverage”

    And on and on…

    Reply
    2. Fearfaxer

      Or this: “J. Edgar Hoover Was Aware of Oswald In Early 1962, Suspected His Identity Was Being Used By Someone Else.”

      Reply
      1. Fearfaxer

        And of course there’s always this to consider: “CIA Bigwigs Circulated Memo About Oswald Only Weeks Before Assassination, Said He Was ‘Maturing’ In His World View.”

        Reply
        2. Ronnie Wayne

          Well John, if they were circulating a memo about Oswald weeks before the assassination wouldn’t that lead a reasonable person under reasonable circumstances to infer they knew of and were interested in him?

        3. Fearfaxer

          @ J McAdams,

          Uhhh, actually it’s proof of a conspiracy to prevent certain facts from becoming publicly known, i.e., that far from the CIA and FBI being ignorant of Oswald people at the very highest level of both organizations were paying a good deal of attention to him. Since Oswald was already dead, I guess it might not be considered obstruction of justice, but if an actual criminal investigation is underway, then it very well might be.

          BTW, this comment of yours, typical of what you post here, is the equivalent of saying that an orange is really a pineapple. Please keep it up, you undermine yourself and your point of view thoroughly with every such statement.

        4. John McAdams

          Well John, if they were circulating a memo about Oswald weeks before the assassination wouldn’t that lead a reasonable person under reasonable circumstances to infer they knew of and were interested in him?

          Of course if you go into a Communist embassy in Mexico City, the CIA would know about it and wonder what you were up to.

          But how does that indicate a conspiracy?

          And what evidence did the CIA have that would suggest Oswald might shoot the president?

        5. John McAdams

          Uhhh, actually it’s proof of a conspiracy to prevent certain facts from becoming publicly known, i.e., that far from the CIA and FBI being ignorant of Oswald people at the very highest level of both organizations were paying a good deal of attention to him.

          They were certainly not obsessing with him the way buffs do today, but he had certainly done things that brought him to the attention of the FBI and the CIA.

          But so what? You need to show some level of interest beyond what we would expect, given what Oswald demonstrably did.

        6. Bogman

          “But so what? You need to show some level of interest beyond what we would expect, given what Oswald demonstrably did.”

          Yeah. Like a CIA agent ever managed the group that propagandized Oswald as pro-Castro in NO, then ran an illegal operation against a Congressional investigation into a presidential assassination.

          Where’s the “interest”? No interest. No interest at all.

          Just treason.

        7. John McAdams

          Yeah. Like a CIA agent ever managed the group that propagandized Oswald as pro-Castro in NO, then ran an illegal operation against a Congressional investigation into a presidential assassination.

          How does that show “interest” in Oswald?

          Are you assuming the New Orleans DRE guys were following orders from the CIA?

        8. Tom S.

          How does that show “interest” in Oswald?

          Are you assuming the New Orleans DRE guys were following orders from the CIA?

          http://jfkfiles.blogspot.com/2008/06/last-word-bringuier-joannides-and-dre.html
          Monday, June 2, 2008
          The Last Word: Bringuier, Joannides and the DRE
          by DALE K. MYERS……….
          As I’ve said before, while I applaud all efforts to uncover and report the truth about the Kennedy assassination, including Mr. Morley’s, I believe caution is the appropriate word to use when drawing premature conclusions from an incomplete record. And no matter what Mr. Morley uncovers from a new round of document releases, the record will always be incomplete because many of the men who wrote those records are long gone…..

          I suppose we should be flattered that you come here multiple times most days, submitting as many as four or five comments on each pass?

        9. Bogman

          “How does that show “interest” in Oswald?”

          Placing the CIA agent who ran the DRE in an illegal operation against Congress trying to find if the CIA was involved with Oswald, and whose files are still in CIA hands after 50+ years, I will make the obvious assumption there was much more than “interest.”

        10. Tom S.

          http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60438&relPageId=5&search=odio_and%20guitart
          and https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22newspapers%3F+Mrs.+odio.+No%3B+I+haven%27t.%22

          http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11341&relPageId=8&search=guitart_and%20mcchann


          Garrison (Q.) apparently states this to Weisberg,           “He (Machann) is in New Orleans now…” : (Grand Jury testimony transcript, 1967)
          http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1210&search=mcchann#relPageId=57&tab=page

          http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono1.pdf
          …..
          October 1, 1963
          ………
          John Martino, a mobster and asset of AMSPELL sponsor William Pawley, arrives today in Dallas to deliver an anti-Castro talk (based on his recently published book, I Was Castro’s Prisoner) to Cuban exiles, Birchers and members of the Catholic Cuban relocation committee. Silvia Odio’s lover Father Walter Machann delivers the invocation at the Martino speech and then abruptly disappears from public life.…..

          Stephen B Lemann announces appointment of Walter J Machann : (July, 1965)

          Bogman, it is quite obvious that it is perfectly natural (as in “not sinister”) to behave and to comment here (prolifically) in the confident and remarkably incurious manner of Dr. McAdams.

        11. Tom S.

          Okay, I see commenters are tripping over themselves to contribute in this particular area. (Just a little sarcasm, please excuse it.)
          I’m trying to confirm that RC priest Walter J Machann actually did leave Dallas in a hurry, never to return, as a direct result of John Martino’s book presentation on October 1, 1963.

          Larry Hancock contributed the following when this website (JFKfacts.org) was younger.:

          https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/somebody-did-talk/
          …..The second person to whom Martino confided was a former business partner named Fred Claassen…

          https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/experts/if-there-was-a-jfk-conspiracy-wouldnt-somebody-have-talked/#more-1955
          By Larry Hancock ……
          It is worth noting that Cummings was an award winning reporter who did not make his reputation by believing tall tales.

          The second person to whom Martino confided was a former business partner named Fred Claassen. He said Martino told him:

          “The anti-Castro people put Oswald together. Oswald didn’t know who he was working for — he was just ignorant of who was really putting him together. Oswald was to meet his contact at the Texas Theater [the movie house where Oswald was arrested]. They were to meet Oswald in the theater and get him out of the country, and then eliminate him. Oswald made a mistake . . . there was no way we could get to him. They had Ruby kill him.”

          I wondered who Fred Claassen was and how he became Martino’s trusted confidante. I found an early 1960’s newspaper article describing
          Claassen as recently hired by a Dallas brokerage, formerly employed in Seattle as a comodities specialist.
          “November 5, 1962 – The Dallas branch of Goodbody & Co. announced the association of Rex Stone, Norman Vanek, and Fred Claassen with the firm…”
          In the late 1980’s, Frederick K Claassen was acting chairman of a Fort Worth corporation titled, Texas Horse Racing Corp. It was an
          unsuccessful lobbying and fundraising venture attempting to win approval for a class 1 racing venue of the level of Churchill Downs or
          Pimlico, to be based in Dallas. Claassen claimed his group was committed to raising $200 million. Not far removed from most horse racing para mutual betting venues is organized crime, and oligarchs.

          1987, HL Hunt- http://articles.latimes.com/1987-10-23/sports/sp-10649_1_thoroughbred-horses/2
          1979, Will Farish III : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane's_End_Farm

          Claassen was born in 1935 and in the 1940 US Census, he resided in Wenatchee, WA with his father Maurice and mother Marie, in the household
          of his grandfather, Herbert M Claassen, a drugstore owner.

          All we have to do is fill in the gaps between this extensive family tree of Claassen’s elders, and attempt to discover how Claassen met
          Martino, a Uraguayan, and what their former partnership involved. It might be helpful to find the names of others involved in the Texas
          Horse Racing Corp. a now defunct entity.
          https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861&dat=19890913&id=zUNSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JDYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6581,2426457&hl=en
          Sept. 13, 1989 “…Claassen told the commission his group plans to raise $200 million…”

          I’m emphasizing original research since I became comments editor, motivated by reading too many comments that are poorly supported opinions or personal barbs. You can find that on many discussion forums and there is not much reader interest in it, despite the enthusiasm of the participants.

          http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=82471697
          Claassen’s father Maurice and links to hie extended family, wife, siblings, parents, etc.

          http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=69888758
          Frederick K Claassen 1935 – 2002

        12. leslie sharp

          REPRODUCED AT THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
          RELEASED PER P. L. 102-526 (JFK ACT) 5-2-96
          Notes—Silvia Odio interviewed 1/16/76

          She said that after Liebeler questioned her for the second time that day (the first interrogation started at 9 a.m.; the second at 6:30 p.m.) he asked her out to dinner. “That surprised me, but I was afraid and I went. We didn’t go out alone. We went out with someone who was supposed to be Marina Oswald’s lawyer. I don’t remember his name, but Mr. Phillips from CBS knew.

          “William Allen ‘Billy Mac’ McKenzie: Longtime Dallas attorney active on Texas AandM board, in GOP politics”

          U.S. District JUDGE A. JOE FISH*** said he learned much of what he knows from Mr. McKenzie. . . .”Bill was a wonderful mentor. . . .,” Judge Fish said. “I carried his briefcases for probably 10 or 12 years.”

          Mr. McKenzie, a 1946 Texas A&M graduate, . . was chairman of the Board of Regents when PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH selected the College Station . . . for his presidential library . . .

          Mr. McKenzie was a Dallas County assistant district attorney before entering a law practice with ANGUS G. WYNNE, SR. that became Wynne & McKenzie.

          Mr. McKenzie represented MARINA OSWALD, wife of accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, and her brother-in-law, Robert Oswald, before the Warren Commission.

          He was a 33rd-degree Mason with 50 years of service

          http://www.dallasnews.com/obituary-headlines/20100426-William-Allen-Billy-Mac-3765.ece

          *** The petition recites the facts as follows: Mrs. Mary Pick is the first cousin of the district judge to whom this case was assigned, the Honorable Joe Fish. Both Mrs. Pick and Judge Fish describe their relationship as more like that of “brother and sister”; she is the godmother to one of his children.
          https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/856/856.F2d.716.88-1652.html

          (119) Connell said that Sunday, however, she was speaking on the telephone to a friend of hers, MRS. SANFORD PICK, then working as a receptionist in a Dallas law firm office, when they both saw Ruby shoot Oswald on their television sets. (120) Connell recalled: “And she said to me, ‘Oh my goodness, Ruby was in our office last week and had power of attorney drawn for his sister.’ “(121) Connell told a committee investigator … that she did not recall ever telling the FBI that. . . . . Neither did the FBI interview with Connell note Connell’s report of her conversation with her friend, Mrs. Sanford PICK, regarding Ruby’s visiting the law firm where PICK worked. Connell said she is positive she told that to the FBI. The committee found that neither PICK nor the attorney who handled Ruby’s case at the law firm were questioned by the FBI (ref. 50, memorandum, pp. 4-6).Because neither Pick nor the attorney, Graham R. E. Koch, could specifically recall Ruby requesting power of attorney for his sister, and because, according to Koch, his firm’s records on the case were later routinely destroyed(ref. 50, memorandum), the committee was unable to pursue the possibility further.

        13. leslie sharp

          ‘The [HSCA] committee found that neither PICK nor the attorney who handled Ruby’s case at the law firm were questioned by the FBI (ref. 50, memorandum, pp. 4-6).Because neither Pick nor the attorney, Graham R. E. Koch, could specifically recall Ruby requesting power of attorney for his sister, and because, according to Koch, his firm’s records on the case were later routinely destroyed(ref. 50, memorandum), the committee was unable to pursue the possibility further.’

          vs.

          FBI Document dated 11.30.63:
          ‘Koch stated he had intended to obtain this power from RUBY a number of months ago but had not gotten around to it until November 19, 1963 when RUBY came to his office for that purpose . . .
          http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/pdf/WH25_CE_2251.pdf

          ‘JACK RUBY’s Dallas lawyer friend, ROBERT G. VIAL of the Mercantile. Security Building, a partner of the firm of Aiken, Hamilton,. Graham, Koch & Tubbs .’ [sic] http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/B%20Disk/Boxley%20Memos%20Miscellaneous/Item%2003.pdf

          Ruby’s tax attorney firm were employers of Mrs. Sanford Pick who was ‘like brother and sister’ with a young Judge Joe Fish who was mentored by William McKenzie, law partner of Angus Wynne who owned the 6 Flags motel where McKenzie’s client Marina Oswald was sequestered in the immediate aftermath of the assassination; Mary Pick was a close friend of Lucille Connell who befriend Sylvia Odio. The law firm was located in the annex of the Mercantile bank, home of Lamar Hunt (who is alleged to have interviewed Ruby’s new acquaintance, Connie Trammell on the 20th) and the Hunt family enterprises.

          Is it any wonder Silvia Odio was scared; what profound words: ‘That’s when I said to myself, “Silvia, the time has come for you to keep quiet. They don’t want to know the truth.” ‘

      2. John McAdams

        Hoover “suspected” no such thing.

        Marguerite reported to the FBI that Oswald’s birth certificate was missing, and an FBI agent suggested this might mean Oswald was being impersonated.

        Hoover repeated this in a document, but nobody has produced any evidence that it was true.

        Reply
        1. Steve Stirlen

          John,

          “And this suggests a conspiracy how?”

          It doesn’t suggest anything. It DOES raise the question of why the CIA and the FBI were not more diligent it their efforts before the assassination.

          However, people are people and they are fallible, correct?

        2. John McAdams

          It doesn’t suggest anything. It DOES raise the question of why the CIA and the FBI were not more diligent it their efforts before the assassination.

          How should they have been more diligent?

          Unless they had known about the Walker attempt, Oswald had to seem like a rather crackpot leftist, but not anybody who threatened violence.

        3. Fearfaxer

          In point of fact, he did suspect such a thing, the proof is in that bit of marginalia he scribbled on a memo. Whether or not his suspicion was correct is a moot point, but for you to deny that he had such a suspicion is provably wrong. And that is not a moot point.

        4. John McAdams

          In point of fact, he did suspect such a thing, the proof is in that bit of marginalia he scribbled on a memo.

          Just thinking something is a possibility is not the same as having any evidence for it.

          Will you admit there was no evidence for any such impersonation?

        5. Willy Whitten

          “Will you admit there was no evidence for any such impersonation?”~McAdams

          Why should anyone admit to such, as there are many proven incidents of others impersonating Oswald.

          Some by voice. Some caught on camera, as he large heavy set man mistaken for Oswald in Mexico City. Some actually caught by the police that simply disappeared from the record, such as the “second Oswald” captured in the balcony of the Texas Theater.
          \\][//

  • kennedy63

    In an attempt to deflect ownership of the coup in America, the CIA (all the groups associated with it), the Secret Service, the FBI, the Military, and in-the-know politicians, recognized immediately what transpired in Dealey Plaza. The cover-up came at the behest of minions dispensed as ambassadors of rich and powerful coup backers, to urge upon the “new president” to impanel a stacked Blue Ribbon Commission that must satisfy the public that Oswald was the lone assassin, and that he has no confederates at large.

    Reply
  • Bogman

    “Is it possible the government was protecting all of us from WW3.”

    From LBJ’s conversations with Sen. Bissell, that’s what the gov’t claimed was happening. And why the WC was formed in the first place.

    You can tell from the statements of Curry and Wade in Dallas that weekend, the feds had told them to shut down all speculation. And they tried. Curry is (incorrectly and recklessly) claimng the paraffin test shows Oswald did it. Wade is telling everyone Oswald’s guilty within “a moral certainty” the same day Hoover’s telling LBJ it’s not a strong case.

    But the MC tapes told a different story. Someone was obviously trying to pin it on KGB but not very well. And so the govt shut the investigation down that night of the assassination.

    And the one entity that continues to refuse to answer to the basic contradictions, anomalies and outright felonies in this case is the CIA.

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  • MDG

    What was it about the assassination – and Oswald – that caused the civilian government to eliminate the possibility of conspiracy before investigating the crime? Was the government protecting ……….. Answer the question and you’ll know who orchestrated the assassination. And you’ll know why the permanent power structure will cover it up forever.
    Tom S. March 15

    I couldnt agree with you more. It’s as if some knew immediately what was going on just after the smoke cleared on the Grassy Knoll. And the coverup began immediately.

    Who was the government protecting?

    Another possibility….

    Is it possible KGB double agents had infiltrated the CIA, and killed JFK.

    It was a very hot time during the Cold War.

    Is it possible the government was protecting all of us from WW3.

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    1. Willy Whitten

      “Is it possible the government was protecting all of us from WW3.”~MDG

      MDG is regurgitating the very excuse that Johnson and Hoover used to bypass an open congressional investigation — “lights and camera’s and all”, as the reason they instituted a “blue ribbon panel” to investigate behind closed doors.

      Do YOU think the USSR was stupid enough to chance starting WWIII, by killing the one man restraining the US military from instituting a first strike?

      If you think that Soviet Intelligence was unaware of the military plans for a first strike to decapitate the nuclear arsenal of that nation, then you do not grasp espionage at all.
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    2. Tom S.

      John McAdams – March 7 :

      …..So you think this is sinister? You could find something equally “sinister” about essentially everybody who had any importance at all in Texas politics in that era.

      Has it ever occurred to you that if I took all your posts, and made a list of all the people whom you think have a sinister connection to somebody else you think is sinister, the list would come to several thousand people?

      SS Chief Rowley spelled the name wrong… McChann, and has the subject’s age wrong (too young) by at least five years…..reported as age 26 in 1964:
      http://maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11341&search=walter_mcchann#relPageId=2&tab=page


      http://phw01.newsbank.com/cache/ean/fullsize/pl_003162016_1909_30400_624.pdf
      Dallas Catholic Group Aids Cuban Refugees
      Date: Saturday, March 31, 1962 Paper: Dallas Morning News

      Stephen B Lemann (see –
      https://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/thomas-jeffersons-affair-with-sally-hemings-tell-us-about-jfk/#comment-862502 )
      announces appointment of Machann…no mention
      of his being an ordained RC priest, 18 months earlier:
      http://phw01.newsbank.com/cache/arhb/fullsize/pl_003162016_1918_47709_859.pdf
      Date: Thursday, April 23, 1964 Paper: Times-Picayune

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    3. theNewDanger

      MDG

      March 15, 2016 at 6:52 pm

      Is it possible the government was protecting all of us from WW3.

      I don’t think that is even remotely possible because what the Cold War was threatening to be to civilians who missed PSYOP 101 orientation versus the reality under the covers were two completely different things. The seeds of a “Cold War” with the Soviets was an up and running PSYOP before WW2 even ended. The domestic Cold War mantra put everyone in a fear state, especially with the endemic trauma after WWI followed a major economic downturn followed by 1920-30’s economic downturn accompanied by the desired WW2; this PSYOP m.o. is also like the illegitimate present-day war on terror that is the current delivery vehicle of fear after many economic downturns softened everyone up to fall for it. The more independent and likely people are to take power and rebel, the more the syndicate takes its insanity a step further to derail and disorient as many as possible through PSYOPS to “inoculate” dissent through means of false flag events, economic subversions, academic indoctrination and comforting groupthink rhetoric in a left-right Hegelian dialectic. It is time to refresh the “tree of liberty” of the mind.

      “In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.” – James Madison

      “If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.”

      – Thomas Jefferson

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