20 thoughts on “LBJ talks to Jacqueline Kennedy”

  1. Let’s not forget this gem: Lyndon Johnson telling Jackie that he wants to be the “daddy” of Caroline and John John.

    From “LBJ: Architect of American Ambition:”

    “During his first five weeks in office, Johnson called Jackie numerous times. Instinctively, awkwardly, he attempted to make what Hubert Humphrey referred to as “cowboy love” to her. A conversation the first week in December was typical: “Your picture was gorgeous. Now you had that chin up and that chest out and you looked so pretty marching in the front page of the New York Daily News … well,” LBJ said “I just came, sat in my desk and started signing a log of long things, and I decided to I wanted to flirt with you a little bit…. Darling, you know what I said to the Congress – I’d give anything in the world if I wasn’t here today … Tell Caroline and John-John I’d like to be their daddy!”

    [Randall Woods “LBJ: Architect of American Ambition,” p. 423]

  2. This recording is just another example of LBJ’s well deserved reputation for self-serving duplicity. If alive today, tens of thousands of dead American (Vietnam) soldiers could attest to that.

    What can be said about a man who reportedly routinely defecated and and urinated in front of others (male and female) during staff meetings and press events? Normal behavior apparently meant nothing to this man.
    See: http://lyndonjohnsonmurderedjfk.blogspot.com/2013/03/ron-kessler-on-mental-instabilities-of.html See also: The Years of Lyndon Johnson Volume 3: Master of the Senate
    by Robert A Caro

  3. Ramon F Herrera

    [Rick G:]

    “Tell that to Mary Jo Kopeckne’s family.”

    =========================

    Aren’t you Conservatives ever going to stop celebrating the tragic death of that poor girl?

    The Kopechnes are loyal supporters of the Kennedys, campaigned for Obama and thus for Mrs. Clinton.

  4. I agree this conversation could not be more phony. It is well documented Jackie didn’t like LBJ.

    This conversation is a fraud. It is really hard to believe Jackie would be so coy and be whispering sweet nothings to him in any conversation.

    I rather see us talk about the Dedication of the $78 million Edward M. Kennedy Senate Building in Boston this week. The Kennedy Family has also left the Joseph P. Kennedy Hyannisport Compound to the National Register of Historic Homes.

    I also agree that the fact that EMK fought on, and fought for U S Healthcare despite the tragedies is truly heroic.

    He truly was the Lion of the Senate.

    The Dream never dies.

  5. Richard Nixon was president in 1971 when the official portraits of John F. Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy were installed at the White House. Though it is customary for former presidents and first ladies to return to the White House for the unveiling of their portraits, Jackie was dreading the visit — she had not been back since she moved out in December 1963, and she knew the memories would be painful. Pat Nixon, understanding Jackie’s reluctance, organized a private visit for Jackie, Caroline and John on February 3, 1971. No one was told about the visit, save for four White House staffers, and no photographers were present.

    Following the visit, Jackie wrote to the Nixons:

    Dear Mr. President, Dear Mrs. Nixon —

    You were so kind to us yesterday. Never have I seen such magnanimity and such tenderness.

    Can you imagine the gift you gave me? To return to the White House privately with my little ones while they are still young enough to rediscover their childhood — with you both as guides — and with your daughters, such extraordinary young women.

    What a tribute to have brought them up like that in the limelight. I pray I can do half the same with my Caroline. It was good to see her exposed to their example, and John to their charm!

    You spoiled us beyond belief . . . I have never seen the White House look so perfect. There is no hidden corner of it that is not beautiful now.

    It was moving, when we left, to see that great House illuminated, with the fountains playing.

    The way you have hung the portraits does them great honor — more than they deserve. They should not have been such trouble to you. . . .

    It made me happy to hear the children bursting with reminiscences all the way home. Before John went to sleep, I could explain the photographs of Jack and him in his room, to him. “There you are with Daddy right where the President was describing the Great Seal; there, on the path where the President accompanied us to our car.”

    Your kindness made real memories of his shadowy ones.

    Thank you with all my heart. A day I always dreaded turned out to be one of the most precious ones I have spent with my children.

    May God bless you all.

    Most gratefully,

    Jackie

    “Official White House portrait of John F. Kennedy (Aaron Shikler)”

  6. Could this conversation have been more phony? JBK had made unflattering comments about Johnson in her oral history.

    As for the 1948 election, let’s not forget about Box 13.
    How Johnson Won Election He’d Lost http://nyti.ms/1wlDiiz

    1. Oh, but all the corruption involving LBJ—that stopped immediately after he became Vice President. After 1960, he could be completely trusted and would NEVER consider aiding in the murder and cover-up of a sitting president so that he could become president. Impossible!

      April Fool.

    2. David Regan
      March 31, 2015 at 9:16 pm

      David, not defending LBJ here but Box 13 type operations were not that unusual to Texas politics, especially back then. Back then, especially the rural counties and most of them were, were ran by a small collection of rich families. They pretty much ran the counties as they saw fit without much regard for the law. They were the law.

      But from what I hear you could buy an election in Chicago also.

      1. Bill, I agree with you that Box 13 in the late ’40’s was hardly an anomaly in Texas.

        Conspiracy to assassinate an elected president is entirely different than conspiracy to throw elections.

        Growing up on politics in the Texas Panhandle, I can remember sitting in our car on the town square watching as the votes were updated, by hand, with chalk, on a huge black board. Our particular precinct was tracked closely in most elections because the editor of our local newspaper was an award winning reporter with distinct left-leaning politics. The question of ‘who counted the votes’ in 1960 was no different than the catastrophe in Florida in 2000.

        Bottom line Bill, I can vouchsafe for your observations about the on the ground contemporary history of Texas politics. Lyndon’s early wins are hardly ammunition to argue he assassinated his boss, anymore than John Kennedy’s early wins are ammunition to suggest that Joe Senior would have stooped to murder in order to position his 2nd born in the highest post in the country.

        I think Chicago politics is an apt reference as well particularly when considering rumors of assassination plans in that city; anyone understanding the temperament of Mayor Daley will know he would never have rolled over the way Earle Cabell did.

        Lyndon’s wins are not the point – unless and until they are discussed in the context of his backers – and in my view this argument is a significantly uninformed, uneducated understanding of Texas politics ergo a distraction from identifying who in fact authorized the murder of John Kennedy.

  7. I forgot to mention that when Jackie Kennedy sued William Manchester over his manuscript “Death of a President” that one of the big bones of contention was William Manchester accurately reporting the nasty things the Kennedy entourage had to say about Lyndon Johnson’s behavior in the wake of the JFK assassination.

    If Robert Kennedy absolutely hated LBJ’s guts – which the establishment historians have documented – the Jackie Kennedy, so close to RFK, was not far behind in these feelings of ill will. LBJ tried to bribe Jackie repeatedly offering her an ambassadorship but she turned him down and Jackie also refused to ever step foot in the White House while Lyndon Johnson resided there. There are no photos of Jackie with LBJ at the Johnson White House … because Jackie was not going to let herself be used by LBJ. As he did on Air Force One with the unnecessary “swearing in.”

    Wiki on William Manchester: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Manchester

    “Manchester had the support of Robert and Jacqueline Kennedy, but later had a falling-out with Robert Kennedy over Manchester’s treatment of President Lyndon B. Johnson.”

    In July, 1964 Jackie called LBJ at the LBJ Ranch simply because the “widow” was angling to get Robert Kennedy put on LBJ’s ticket as VP, an abhorrent idea to Johnson.

    1. I’ll never forget the picture of Jackie standing behind LBJ on the plane as he was taking the oath. She looked like a prop! She looked as if she were approving this new president. He had sent word to her to come forward. I don’t know if he even said PLEASE.

  8. The “real” Jackie Kennedy hated and despised Lyndon Johnson and she would refer to LBJ as “Colonel Cornpone” and his little pork chop [Lady Bird] as would other members of the Kennedy entourage. Jackie was very close to RFK (I think they were lovers) and she shared his contempt for Johnson.

    One of JFK, Jr.’s best friends at the Phillips Academy was Meg Azzoni. In spring, 1977, she and John went to visit Jackie while Caroline was still at Harvard. Meg says: “Jackie told John and I at the ‘break-the-fast’ breakfast, ‘I did not like or trust Lyndon Johnson.’ No one said another word the whole meal in memorial contemplative silence.”
    [Meg Azzoni, “John F. Kennedy, Jr. to Meg Azzoni 11 Letters: Memories of Kennedys & Reflections on His Quest,” p. 52]

    Also:

    Jackie Kennedy in her oral history: “Bobby told me this later, and I know Jack said it to me sometimes. He said, ‘Oh, God, can you imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon was president?'” … “He didn’t like the idea that Lyndon would go on and be president because he was worried for the country. Bobby told me that he’d had some discussions with him. I forget exactly how they were planning or who they had in mind. It wasn’t Bobby, but somebody. Do something to name someone else in ’68”

    1. Thanks Robert. I feel the Kennedy’s knew within a week of what happened. I don’t understand how the CIA can live with this over their head. The bottom line is if the truth ever comes out about this case, their finished. Covering it up for 52 years makes it even worse. I’m anticipating David Talbots forthcoming book on Allen Dulles.

      1. Mark, RFK shortly after being informed of JFK’s death confronted the uninformed out of the loop CIA Director with “did one of your people do this?”
        RFK apparently suspected their complicity immediately.
        Which would include the still active former CIA director fired by JFK and soon to be Warren Commission director
        Alan Dulles.

        1. Nathaniel Heidenheimer

          And yet Robert Caro has his book excerpted for the New Yorker. In his fourth LBJ bio book Caro claims that RFK requested Dulles for the Warren Commission.

          His source? An LBJ diary entry from Nineteen Hundred Sixty Nine.

          Apparently that’s good enough sourcing for Mr. Caro and the New Yorker. Notice what history goes Court History? And I am not here alluding to the Court of Camelot.

          What other topic could be backed up so flimsily, and yet be taken seriously by the New Yorker and the The New York Times? What other topic?

          When it comes to the 35th president we are witnessing the most expensive form of censorship: orchestrated cacophony. This observation is not base on any one book or article. It is based on my observation of the whole field of JFK mediation. Why would a former tobacco writer arguing that the assassination was an accident resulting from the misfiring of a secret service weapon… why would HIS article be carried by more newspapers than any other article published during the 50th anniversary? Hundreds of other questions about the MEDIAtion of the policies and assassination which produced today’s Autopilot gov by National Security State are not even being asked. Why?

          Orchestrated Cacophony.

    2. Nah they wern’t lovers, Jackie had class, You just want to think that perv, Johnson was an Oaky doke, look at the way he ambles around with that I’m humble grin on his face when he gets around crowds like in that factory he visits it’s like he’s sayin Oaky doke oaky doke with that fake grin, The nickname was very fitting, he didn’t fool them at all,

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