“First of all, nobody ever goes that way for a visa. Second, it costs money to go that distance. He (Oswald) stormed into the embassy, demanded the visa, and when it was refused to him, headed out saying ‘I’m going to kill Kennedy for this.’…..What is your government doing to catch the other assassins? It took about three people.”
Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro, quoted in Warren Commission Document 1359, reporting on a conversation which an informant named “SOLO” had with the Cuban leader in June 1964.
Operation SOLO was the FBI’s penetration of the Communist Party USA via the brothers Jack and Morris Childs.
According to John Newman, Morris was the likely source of CD 1359. Castro is not the only source of the curious story that Oswald threatened Kennedy’s life in the Cuban Embassy.
See Peter Dale Scott’s Deep Politics II, chapter 8.
Ramon F Herrera A False lead or False flag was exactly what the Military was looking for as pretex to invade Cuba, The Gulf of Tonkin did it for VN. JFK assassination was mother of all False Flags. It got us Bush’s, Clintons and Obama
Who better to recognize the actions of revolution than a revolutionary themself…?
I’d expect a lot of secrets to come to the fore now that relations between Cuba and the U.S. are being re-established….
[Jordan:]
“I’d expect a lot of secrets to come to the fore now that relations between Cuba and the U.S. are being re-established…”
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Jordan, you have no idea how much I hate having to disappoint you. The argument is equivalent to the Embargo. Cuba claims that their system does not make any progress because of the inhumane, cruel Embargo. Here’s my response.
There are 200 countries in the globe. Cuba has normal relationship and trade with 197 of them.
The 3 exceptions are:
– Itself (duh!)
– USA
– Israel.
Every so many years the UN issues a condemnation and the only 2 votes against it are Israel and the USA! Our closest friends/partners: UK, Canada, etc. join the rest of the world, denouncing the Embargo and calling for an end to it. They have profitable investments (tourism and other sectors) in the island.
Back to JFK: There is a periodic conference between the former officers (bureaucrats, cabinet members, spies, the works) who used to be in charge in the US and in Cuba during the 60s. They meet in Caribbean location (cannot meet in Cuba or the US). They issue reports.
http://www.assassinationweb.com/russell1.htm
Any scrap or morsel of even remotely interesting information would be sold by a Cubans to the international authors and media at the blink of an eye.
Of course, if you are referring to the tiniest details (no smoking gun!) then, sure there are probably many in the Havana’s archives.
Ramon F Herrera I would think the Cubans have a lot more information on Bay of Pigs that has not been disclosed. Add this to why plot to implicate LHO as Cuban assassin failed may indicate the true assassins.
The following is planing of JCS and CIA on June 18 1963 Gen V.H. KRULAK was big part of plan plus in 63 Krulak had big roll in VN.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE CHAIRMAN, JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF
Subject: Proposed Covert Policy and Integrated Program of Action Toward Cuba
1. At TAB A is a CIA memorandum concerning a program of action against Cuba to include sabotage by hit-and-run raids, which was to be presented to the NSC Standing Group on 14 June. At TAB B is the talking paper prepared to support you in discussing this CIA memorandum at the Standing Group meeting. The meeting, as you will recall, was cancelled [sic].
2. The CIA memorandum was subsequently presented to the Standing Group on 18 June, at which time it was approved. General McKee accompanied Mr. McNamara to the meeting.
3. This could conceivably expand into an operation of substantial size requiring broad, unprogrammed [sic] support from the military. Accordingly, I recommend that at the next meeting of the Standing Group you request that CIA be directed to present to the Department of Defense a summary of CIA requirements for military support of the approved sabotage raid program.
V.H. KRULAK
Major General, USMC
SACSA
1. Submitted herewith is a covert program for Cuba within CIA’s capabilities. Some parts of the program have already been approved and are being implemented. Being closely inter-related, the total cumulative impact of the courses of action set forth in this program is dependent upon the simultaneous coordinated execution of the individual courses of action.
2. This program is based on the assumption that current U.S. policy does not contemplate outright military intervention in Cuba or a provocation which can be used as a pretext for an invasion of Cuba by United States military forces. It is further assumed that U.S. policy calls for the exertion of maximum pressure by all means available to the U.S. Government, short of military intervention, to prevent the pacification of the population and the consolidation of the Castro/Communist regime. The ultimate objective of this policy would be to encourage dissident elements in the military and other power centers of the regime to bring about the eventual liquidation of the Castro/Communist entourage and the elimination of the Soviet presence from Cuba.
http://www.indiana.edu/~oah/nl/98feb/jfk.html
Bill Kelly research on big plays of summer and fall of 63
https://jfkcountercoup.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/jfk-coup-the-administrative-details/#comments
It is possible to document and detail the official approval of the covert intelligence operations that led to the assassination because a direct relationship can be established between those at the top who requested, approved and directed three specific anti-Castro Cuban maritime operations – the Bayo-Pawley raid (June 8, 1963), the Rex mission (Oct. 26-30, 1963) and the activities of Clare Booth Luce’s “boys,” which included Julio Fernandez and others in the DRE network that operated in Louisiana and Florida in the summer and fall of 1963.
“and the activities of Clare Booth Luce’s “boys,” which included Julio Fernandez and others in the DRE network that operated in Louisiana and Florida in the summer and fall of 1963.”
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Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but Gaeton claims that the whole “Luce boys” was just a ruse to get steal time from him and the other investigators, preventing them from chasing the real, productive leads.
After all, her being CIA is not even under dispute by anybody, anymore.
See the the first words he wrote in his book:
“Time is precious, but truth is more precious than time.”
Fonzi, Gaeton (2013-09-01). The Last Investigation: A Former Federal Investigator Reveals the Man behind the Conspiracy to Kill JFK (Kindle Locations 13-14). Skyhorse Publishing. Kindle Edition.
Re: Fonzi – While he was correct in most of his analysis – he failed to locate or even acknowledge the Julio Fernandez who was the team leader for JMWAVE based cuban commandos – who both Clare Booth Luce and Bradley Ayers refer to by name and specific description. Fonzi was wrong that Luce made up the name. – BK
The first volume of John Newman’s new multivolume work on the JFK assassination, Where Angels Might Tread, is now out. I just got it on Kindle.
Sorry, wrong title. Newman’s new book (which I have now begun reading) is entitled Where Angels Tread Lightly.
Fidel Castro – Concerning the Facts and Consequences of the Tragic Death of President John F. Kennedy, 11-23-63: History Will Not Absolve Us
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNAU/FC112363.html
Best case scenario for plausible deniability is let a “nut” go, don’t “notice” him, encourage him, then sit back and let him shoot a man you want shot. Give him assistance as needed (other professional shooters) without his knowledge. After the president is murdered you can worry about details like the cover up, but you’ll always have plausible deniability.
Thomas, you might find this interesting:
“It is worth noting that exactly a half century before the Marathon bombings, another man traveled easily between the US and Russia, with the security services of both countries inexplicably tolerant of his movements. His name was Lee Harvey Oswald. Whatever one is to make of Oswald, the net effect of the terror activity associated with him in no way slowed the growth of the national security agencies responsible, nor was anyone ever really held accountable. “ – James Henry, whowhatwhy.org
http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/05/04/is-us-russian-spy-intrigue-behind-boston-bombing/
leslie sharp They keep playing the terrorist card over and over. I see a direct link from one of JFK assassins to training of jihadist in former Soviet Country Georgia.
Reason behind my statement is that a certian special forces Army Colonel retired at age 68 in Jan 2001. After his retirement from the army service, was appointed, in 2001, as U.S. Secretary of Defense Senior Military Consultant on Georgian Defense Matters. It is matter of record that ISIS War lord Abu Omar al-Shishani is from Georgia and was trained in Georgia by US special forces along with Chechin jihadist
Interesting parallels, Leslie. Thank you.
“Best case scenario for plausible deniability is let a “nut” go, don’t “notice” him, encourage him”~Thomas
This commentary is based on the presumption that Oswald was a “nut”.
The evidence unfolded indicates that Oswald was far from a nut, but rather an agent trying to infiltrate the exiled Cuban groups that were hell bent for revenge after “the Bay of Pigs thing” – the ludicrous theory of ‘Oswald’s Game’ aside.
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I put “nut” in parenthesis because I don’t believe he was that. But he may well have been a loose cannon.
[Thomas:]
“encourage him, then sit back and let him shoot a man you want shot. ”
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I find that version very hard to believe. Nobody was more shocked and surprised by the development at 12:30 than Lee himself.
At the most, Lee showed to be capable of shooting Far Right wackos. He and Marina liked the presidential couple.
You don’t gain fame and notoriety by shooting a beloved president.
“We were never able to place Oswald in the 6th. floor at the time of the shooting”
-Chief of Dallas Police, years later, after the fear had passed
I believe that Oswald was manipulated, I don’t know by who, although interesting theories have been posted at this site. I believe he came to work with a gun in a package, I know the size of the package can be debated endlessly, but sometimes an open-minded observer must accept the obvious implications. Oswald was part of something. His actions after the murder are also beyond the realm of an innocent man.
I also believe this approach was used in the other murders of the 60s, including MLK and RFK, perhaps more beyond the 60s.
[Thomas:]
“I believe he came to work with a gun in a package”
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The only two people who saw the package claim to this day that there was no gun in it. The problem is not so much the size but the mass/weight, which can be ascertained visually.
Best case scenario is to manage the “nut” and direct him to create a legend as such. Then plant him in position to become a fall guy, or “patsy”. With cutout’s and sheep dipping you still maintain Plausible Deniability.
Oswald was no nut or he wouldn’t have been given radar training and security clearance for Atsugi and the U2, much less sent to the USSR to tell them of of it (=Dulles & Co. sabotaging Eisenhower Peace talks).
I responded to this issue already above. I put “nut” in parenthesis to indicate that this is the way authorities wanted Oswald to be perceived by others.
Castro immediately saw through the ruse as per his speech the day following the assassination.
It’s fascinating. Didn’t the FBI state that a week before 22/11/63 in Miami they received a tip off that JFK would be assassinated and the name of the informant was “lee”.
It could just be that LHO was also the victim of a mass conspiracy. He worked for the CIA I have no doubts and spoke to the FBI also but what if LHO was planted with the mission brief to infiltrate any would be assassins and prevent JFK’S killing. Obviously to get him on board whilst secretly plotting and manoeuvring LHO into that position he found himself in on 22/11/63. I believe this is more likely. He could have been as big a victim as JFK only his name is forever tainted in the mainstream as a line killer nut job.
I don’t believe Castro ever made this statement. Jack Childs SAID he did. Also said Castro was relying entirely on information from M.C. embassy personnel. Which personnel?
Castro always has believed JFK was killed by insiders, not Oswald. Why would he make a statement so incriminating of Oswald? Doesn’t make sense.
I believe Castro made this statement because Childs also reported that Castro pointed out:
“I was told this by my people in the Embassy exactly how he (Oswald) stalked in and walked in and ran out. That in itself was a suspicious movement, because nobody comes to an Embassy for a visa (they go to a Consulate)”. This statement is consistent with Castro’s point of view that Oswald was involved in some intelligence operation in Mexico City, although he didn’t fire a shoot at Dealey Plaza.
And Childs summed up the case to Hoover: “Castro had nothing to do with the assassination.”
The Embassy personnel means both the Ambassador De Armas and the DGI Center Chief Mirabal. Who else is needed? Even an indirect source like American-born Mexican artist Elizabeth Mora has reported that Cuban Cultural Attaché saw Oswald at the Embassy (not the Consulate). Oswald should have voiced the threat here, not at the Consulate, and that´s why neither the Cuban consuls nor their Mexican employee heard anything.
The official Cuban position on Oswald appeared in the works of General Escalante —the Head of Castro´s State Security Department turned historian of idem— and in this brief essay:
http://cuban-exile.com/doc_001-025/doc0017.html
Arturo Rodriguez Question needs a answer
(Former Cuban Security Agent)
“If the CIA obtained photos, information, telephone recordings, and microphone recordings placed in the sofa of the Cuban consulate, years later uncovered, – why did all this evidence disappear?
Reflecting on all of this we make the following hypothesis. Everything was arranged to document Oswald’s visit, therefore there was a plot to involve Cuba in the assassination that was to later “unchain” the American reply.
However, almost immediately after Oswald’s arrest in Dallas, when the requests for Oswald’s Mexico material starts by the (principal center? meaning an official agency) – incorrect information was given. Was it that the arrest was not planned by those who plotted, threw out (did away with) the well conceived plan to blame Cuba? The truth is that almost immediately after Oswald’s assassination, in the coarse and precipitated conditions known to all, appeared the theory of the “lone assassin” and the “Cuban plot” took second stage. What are the reasons? What are the motives?
These are essential questions that North American authorities should answer to the public and once and for all make it clear about the assassination of president John F. Kennedy”
Was the false flag of killing JFK not big enough that they had to kill LBJ to attack Cuba
William Kelly As detailed in The Tipping Point post at JFKCountercoup.blogspot.com LBJ squashed the attempt by Joe Goulden’ and Dallas Asst DA to charge Oswald as part of an international communist consputscy in a number of phone calls to Texas officials from his VP office in the EOB between 7-9 pm on the night of the assassination, officially shifting from PDS’s “Phase One” commie conspiracy to “Phase two” Lone Nut scenario.
I think he’s being facetious about Oswald as a lone assassin.
He expresses doubt that Oswald would go there in the first place for a Visa to Cuba, have the money to pay for it, and then announce to everyone there his threat to murder the POTUS.
Jack Childs is actually the source, and his original report was declassified on 2012. Newman deemed a mystery that Oswald voiced such a threat while both Mexican employee at the Cuban Consulate, Sylvia Duran, and the two Cuban consuls denied having heard it. But a new approach can help to unravel the mystery:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Unraveling-a-Mystery-Oswa-by-Arnaldo-M-Fernand-Assassination_Conspiracies_Evidence_Killing-131217-866.html
Others Did Go That Way – National Security Agency defectors Martin and Mitchell, ex-Navy men, went to USSR via Mexico City and Cuba, via a network that LHO may have been trying to replicate, so it’s not true nobody ever goes that way. Martin and Mitchell did.
BK
“…so it’s not true nobody ever goes that way. Martin and Mitchell did.”~Bill Kelly
As I think you imply here, Martin and Mitchell were agents, thus the likelihood of Oswald being an agent, and this scheme is part of the sheep dipping ritual of agents making a mole run to the Soviet Union.
Ja?
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