What Hillary Clinton said about releasing JFK records

42 comments

  1. mike king says:

    Lie lie lie after lie

  2. Dave says:

    Of course she hedged her answer with the hoary crutch of “national security”. Come Oct. 2017, when the law requires release of the documents, will she side with the CIA’s attempts to keep the lid on the sealed records for this so-called “national security” excuse, even though it’s more than a half-century later and nearly all the players have passed on?

    • Bill Clarke says:

      Dave
      May 1, 2016 at 6:46 pm

      “Of course she hedged her answer with the hoary crutch of “national security”. Come Oct. 2017, when the law requires release of the documents, will she side with the CIA’s attempts to keep the lid on the sealed records for this so-called “national security” excuse, even though it’s more than a half-century later and nearly all the players have passed on?”

      Just my guess but no doubt the CIA has a bag of Hillary’s misdeeds in their safe. They might use this to bring pressure on her to keep the records sealed.

  3. Thomas says:

    Talk about a politician who is untrustworthy!

  4. Val Z says:

    Let’s trudge up the Hil and see who’s behind the picket fence.

    • MJ says:

      Hey Val Z,
      I love the YSU penguin (with hat)!!.I am a proud YSU grad – 1977, agree with picket fence senario.

  5. Ronnie Wayne says:

    “I believe we should have bloggers inside our Governmental Agencies”
    Photon, John, Jean are you listening?

  6. Brent Craig says:

    Liar, liar pants on fire…

    Real time bloggers within the government? Maybe, only for the purpose of really pumping out the disinformation… much more garbage to sift through. I don’t like dumpster diving when it’s not necessary.

  7. Ronnie Wayne says:

    This is exactly why we should Rally This Year in the cities throughout the Nation for attention to the subject.
    A internet search for the exact release date results in this: “jfk files release date”;

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=jfk+files+release+date&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=47d52d6bcdd1438f9690a105406dd8ea&pq=jfk+files&sc=8-9&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&cvid=47d52d6bcdd1438f9690a105406dd8ea

    I.E it’s not a popular topic. How can we make it so? By gathering publicly. Not to protest, to Rally for Freedom of the Files. Ideally, some advance work should be done but we should all gather in our cities on October __ this year to call attention to the subject, before the election. Once again, Now, well before the election. Respected Researchers should be Hammering their media contacts, limited lists of supporters only go so far.
    Can we forgive our differences long enough to come together on one issue? Free The Files?
    Jeff, would yo be willing to lead such a Rally in Washington?
    Bill Kelly would you, in I think NYC? If I’m wrong, surely there is another reader in a city of that size. Bogman in Boston? I think Mr. Simpich is in San Francisco area, would he be willing to lend his name locally? Are not Dr. Scott and Jim DiEugenio from the LA/San Diego area?
    Would Leslie be willing to help in Dallas?
    I’ll try at the JFK Memorial in Fort Worth.
    Friends of Dawn Meredith in Austin?
    Tom, where do you live?
    Willy?

    • Ronnie Wayne says:

      After all, it is Our Government.

      • Tom S. says:

        Ronnie, if you were extended the ability to edit your comments after submitting them, this would cease to be a moderated discussion format. Would you want to have your name associated with a site with no registration requirement to post and no control of what is in posts/comments? It is pain enough to read them all once, sometimes.

        MaCrae of jfkassassinationforum relies on sign up restriction and says he will moderate only as a result of complaints from other members. The Ed Forum has a moderating team with four or more admins and at least as many moderators. A small number of commentors who are registered members can be overseen by one or two moderators, but consider how many George’s forum features, vs. the number of registered members?

  8. Eddy says:

    The most revealing part of her response for me was that she deemed it necessary to stick in the ‘National Security’ rider.

    To me this shows the massive power of the CIA over Government and it tells me the Establishment (as represented by Hilary) do not see this as a truth issue, but as a political issue.

    It is of course a political issue if you think, as I do ; that one side of a political divide is culpable.

    • SaxD says:

      I don’t pretend to know whether she even remembers this promise, much less will follow up on it–but people in this thread keep ignoring the fact that HRC said AND emphasized the word “legitimate” before “national security concerns.” The tone of the statement doesn’t come across at all as hedging, but actually implies the government has used illegitimate excuses to be non-transparent. Again–I would expect this kind of issue will drop down low on her priority list if she gets in, just as it did for her husband to a certain extent (he decided he accepted the official version after all, once he became official). But let’s not spin her statement here. She was trying, at least in 2008, to speak out for a transparent government. As we know, she isn’t the most transparent herself. But I believe she is in many ways in the tradition of JFK as a center-left politician. He didn’t have a perfect past either. She has gifts and might just be a very good president.

      • derek says:

        To say she is a center-left politician would seem to ignore her far right wing foreign policy as a Senator and secretary of state.

        • Tom S. says:

          her far right wing foreign policy as a Senator and secretary of state.

          Compared to….? Nine months and one week after Ms. Cinton was seated in the U.S. Senate, the first woman
          representing the state of N.Y. to accomplish that, 9/11 resulted in more death and destruction in N.Y. than
          anywhere else. She is a politician. Her priority is to get elected. A good way to do that is to satisfy the
          majority of the constituency. As Secretary of State, did she carry out her’s, or Obama’s foreign policy, and
          is it really Obama’s? She served as Secretary of State during Obama’s first term. What do you expect Obama’s top
          priority was, after the first one hundred days of his first term? Getting re-elected….and then, there are those
          pesky republicans to have to consider.

          I agree with every criticism made by Nader and Sanders. I reluctantly accept that everything is influenced by everything else, the electorate is a right wing nut house resulting from money spent to influence them to be that way, and you have to win elections to have any influence, even though as Obama’s example shows, influence and authority are not the same thing. Hillary held her nose and attended prayer breakfasts regularly with republican senators. How was Obama’s attempted interaction with the legislature? It is certainly not his fault, but the results show he did not have much success dealing with them and did not attempt it, tirelessly.

          Ms. Clinton seems the most practical of a number of poor choices, it pains me to say.

          • sgt_doom says:

            Puhlease! The Clintons killed the New Deal — what more does any sane person require!

          • the electorate is a right wing nut house resulting from money spent to influence them to be that way,

            Thank you for revealing that the “egalitarian” left is really terribly elitist, and contemptuous of the American people.

          • Tom S. says:

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            http://bipartisanpolicy.org/ I”m sorry, I am not inspired by these names.:
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          • “Thank you for revealing that the “egalitarian” left is really terribly elitist, and contemptuous of the American people.”

            Thank you for misframing the issue yet again “professor”:

            To point out and explain how the US population has been indoctrinated, and “dumbed down” by cognitive infiltration and propaganda is NOT “contemptuous of the American people.”

            It is contemptuous of the indoctrination, social engineering, and manipulation of the thinking of the American public by statist propagandists.

            Ever met any statist propagandists McAdams?
            Or do you just communicate with them by email?
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      • Sunsteinian Agents of Cognitive Dissonance

        I would say what we see here on the Internet today is evidence of an organized group working to create cognitive dissonance on the Internet.

        The Art of War, Divide and Conquer is not new.

        Speaking of Cass Sunstein!

        Sunstein co-authored a 2008 paper with Adrian Vermeule, titled “Conspiracy Theories,” dealing with the risks and possible government responses to conspiracy theories resulting from “cascades” of faulty information within groups that may ultimately lead to violence. In this article they wrote, “The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest, is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government’s antiterrorism policies, whatever the latter may be.”

        >>They go on to propose that, “the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups”,[35] where they suggest, among other tactics, “Government agents (and their allies) might enter chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual premises, causal logic or implications for political action.”<<
        [35] They refer, several times, to groups that promote the view that the US Government was responsible or complicit in the September 11 attacks as "extremist groups."

        **Sunstein and Vermeule also analyze the practice of recruiting "nongovernmental officials"; they suggest that "government can supply these independent experts with information and perhaps prod them into action from behind the scenes," further warning that "too close a connection will be self-defeating if it is exposed."[35]

        Sunstein and Vermeule argue that the practice of enlisting non-government officials, "might ensure that credible independent experts offer the rebuttal, rather than government officials themselves. There is a tradeoff between credibility and control, however. **The price of credibility is that government cannot be seen to control the independent experts."**

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cass_Sunstein

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  9. GM says:

    I have no idea what way Hillary Clinton would go in relation to the release of the JFK files if elected President. Obviously Bill Clinton was president when the major releases of documents on the assassination occurred in the 1990s. You might think that being a Democrat Hillary Clinton would be sympathetic to the release of more files on JFK as well. On the other hand, she has earned a reputation as being something of a hawk, certainly she seems in favour of regime change through military means. Did Hillary Clinton develop strong ties with the MIC when she was Secretary of State?

  10. I’d like to know what Obama and Bill Clinton discussed privately about the assassination when they visited JFK’s grave together on an anniversary a few years ago.

    And it would be a great service is someone with time on their hands would transcribe Hilliary’s response to this question.

    BK

    • BK, I’ll take the time and try to have it posted by the end of the day. If someone else is already tackling it, no problem; comparison is always good.

    • C-Span
      Campaign 2008
      Nashville, Tennessee
      Tennessee State University

      Democratic Candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton’s response to the question:

      “Will you pledge if elected president you will release all CIA files regarding John Kennedy’s assassination?“

      (Key: italics for audibly slight emphasis, bold for strong emphasis)

      HRC
      “You know, nobody’s ever asked me that before, and uh (laughs) that’s why I love doing this because I’ll tell you what,I will do whatever I can consistent with legitimate concerns about national security to release information because I think there are so many facts, or at least (pause) some kind of agreed upon conclusions about some serious issues in American history that should be out in the public, and I wanna do as much of that as I possibly can. I think that’s a very, it’s not just about that one specific issue, but more generally we need to get information out there. Now that we have the Internet we should be putting as much government information out as possible. You all deserve to know what your government has done and what your government is doing. I’ve even, ya know, uh (laughs) this may be a little radical, uh, but I’ve even suggested, uh, that we have bloggers inside government agencies so that people get, you know, real time information about what’s going on. So I’m going to try and have a very transparent, very open information flow in our government.

      • Hillary is asked;
        “Will you pledge if elected president you will release all CIA files regarding John Kennedy’s assassination?“

        I take her answer as beautifully transcribed by Leslie Sharp, as a long winded “No”.

        A real positive answer is one word, “Yes”.
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  11. J.D. says:

    On the campaign trail in 1992, Bill Clinton said that he did not know “whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone or not,” and that he favored the release of all files relating to “the historic case.”

    https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/jfk/jfk00013.pdf

    What I find even more remarkable about this story is that Al Gore flat-out said he believed that Oswald had not acted alone, and that, based on the findings of the HSCA, “there probably was a conspiracy.”

    This was in 1992, before Gerald Posner, Vincent Bugliosi, and the ocean of anti-conspiracist rhetoric that accompanied the 50th anniversary. Try to imagine any presidential (or vice-presidential) candidate saying something like that now.

  12. Obama? Hillary? Pledges? Hahahaha!!!

    Are you serious? Both of these people are professional liars, you cannot be in the “government” unless you are a professional liar – that is in the job description of “Politician”.
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  13. Ronnie Wayne says:

    I thought I read years ago that Hillary was the first Woman to ever speak at the annual meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations but I found nothing about it in a quick search.
    But do take a minute to read this short article.

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/hillary.htm

    Do you think she will do what she’s told to do by the CIA like he does for the CFR?

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=Allen+Dulles+Council+on+Foreign+Relations&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&refig=08c3a1e71dcf40699965a01ae639fc32&pq=allen+dulles+council+on+foreign+relations&sc=0-41&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=08c3a1e71dcf40699965a01ae639fc32

    “he became director…in 1927”

  14. Jordan says:

    Are you kidding…if she talks, it’ll reveal the whole Mena Airport thing….

    • Rick G. says:

      Jordan, thank you for sparing me the effort to say that exact same thing. Bill Clinton, Hillary, Barry Seal, CIA, etc., the whole rotten corrupt mess. Isn’t if “interesting” that Bubba and Poppy have become like father and son since (at least) 2001. Things that make you go “Hmmm.”

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