Fact check: Was a Mauser found in the Texas School Book Depository?

In the latest installment of the often excellent “50 Reasons for 50 Years,” Len Osanic says yes. I think the evidence says no. Decide for yourself. 

The YouTube episode focuses on the so-called “sniper’s nest,” the area next to the 6th floor window of the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) from which Lee Oswald allegedly fired a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle wounding Governor John Connally and killing President Kennedy. The piece makes some good and indisputable points — this area was not controlled after the shooting; the photographs that appear in the Warren Commission do not depict the space as it was found after the assassination; the boxes and the bullet shells were rearranged for the purposes of photography.

The most debatable point concerns the alleged discovery of a Mauser rifle in the TSBD. One deputy sheriff, Seymour Weitzman, wrote in his report the next day that he found a 7.65 Mauser and another deputy, Roger Craig, said that is was a Mauser. News footage shows officers handling an Italian-made Mannlicher Carcano rifle and no German-made Mauser was ever introduced as evidence. So the implication is that Dallas law enforcement made the Mauser — and evidence of second gunman — disappear.

But as Osanic’s first day footage makes clear there were a wide variety of TV reports about the type of rifle found. Confusion was obviously the order of the day.

Was it deception?

Gary Mack of the 6th Floor Museum, an institution that does not engage the JFK conspiracy debate, says that the Manlicher-Carcano was simply misidentified.

In an email Mack wrote:

The rifle was misidentified by Sheriff’s deputies as a Mauser while it was still on the floor partly hidden by boxes. One of the two reporters on the floor at the time – Tom Alyea/WFAA-TV and Kent Biffle/Dallas Morning News – and one of them got word out to the newsroom and that’s how the Mauser name first appeared.

Later, once [another Dallas Police Lieutenant J.C.] Day and then [Dallas Police Captain Will] Fritz got a close look at it, they weren’t sure what it was due to the vague markings which did, however, include the phrase “Made in Italy.: That’s when “Italian weapon” started appearing on the wires.

After Fritz took it back to the crime lab for further examination, he still wasn’t sure what it was. He was asked to take it to Fritz’ office so, to prevent reporters outside his office from touching it, he held it over his head. Many news people got pictures of that moment including a KRLD-TV camera man. The original video tape is in The Sixth Floor Museum’s collection and the wall clock behind him shows 6:18 as Day told reporters what he knew about the weapon: 6.5mm, made in Italy, 1940. That’s all he said.

So there were hours of vague information. The important thing to remember is that none of the sheriff’s deputies saw the rifle again and they were not privy to what the Dallas Police were doing. It’s no surprise to me that Weitzman the next day reported it was a Mauser since that is all that he knew, for that is what they thought when he was there.

I asked Osanic, host of Black Op Radio, to respond to the argument that this was a simple case of misidentification. He replied:

If it was the case of a simple misidentification overheard by a newsman, then one should expect the initial reports to be consistent, much as the erroneous information of discoveries being on the fifth floor was uniformly presented for several hours. Instead, multiple rifles (makes and models) were featured on the airwaves, with the report of a British rifle being just the first of many.

The Sixth Floor [Musuem] has an agenda to promote the Warren Report. Weitzman was there, he swore an affidavit that it was not only a Mauser, but model 7.65.

David Lifton, author of “Best Evidence,” notes that Seymour Weitzman later said his identification was an honest mistake. You can watch a YouTube of Weitzman’s comments here.

How does one sort out the issue?

For me, I see no other indication that a Mauser played any other role in the JFK story. For example, the forensic evidence doesn’t indicate a Mauser was used to fire on the presidential motorcade. I know of no other allegation that a Mauser was used on November 22, 1963. Given Weitzman’s explanation, I am inclined to accept this was a case of misidentification, amplified in the chaos of the immediate aftermath of the killing of president.

Watch Osanic’s video here:

106 comments

  1. Photon says:

    The Carcano has a Mauser-type action.

    • Ron says:

      Weitzman clearly changed his story. His sworn affadavit that he saw a German Mauser *after* the rifle discovery was not a ‘loose’ misinterpretation of the facts. He had to dictate the affadavit and present the truth. And that document corroborates deputy Craig’s statement to Mark Lane that, “stamped right on the barrel” were the words “7.65 Mauser”. How could two officers – one, Weitzman, who formerly owner a sporting goods store, have conceivably made such a gross error? Let’s not call a square a round hole here.

      • Dr TCH says:

        Ron: AMEN!!! The first or second weapon found was a Mauser. Besides, the three shell casings had been two which morphed into three (and there are two photos and police reports which document this). And, no ammo clip was found, which meant that the supposed sniper would have had to manually load the weapon. And, a rifle or carbine does NOT toss the casings into a nicely aligned group, but tosses them out a good distance away. As you suggest, Weitzman had been the owner of sporting good supply shop, and swore as to the type of weapon within a day or two. The whole assassination episode was fishy “from the word go.”

    • PangurBantheCat says:

      I recently saw film footage of the Dallas police on the 6th floor of the school depository. They are holding two rifles, a Mauser and a Manlicher. I am going to have to wade through the numerous film footage I have been watching on YouTube to find it. But in this film footage is a black and white still showing the Dallas police with both a Mauser AND a Manlicher. I know, because I owned two Mausers and spenttim e extensively illustrating the bolt and trigger assembly of the Mauser. Something I spent hours on.

      • 4hundred says:

        I too have seen this footage/clip, it does shows two rifles in the initial TSBD search. It shows a rifle in the foreground and yet clearly a shadow of another rifle behind.. if the footage is real it crushes the official story…2 rifles on the 6th floor for the one shooter …can someone shed light on this?

  2. Dan says:

    I have seen information that the Carcano is a Mauser-type weapon manufactured by the Italians. The one that became part of the assassination story is actually a carbine rather than a rifle, meaning it is shorter than the rifle version. I have seen also seen information that the Carcano was issued to the German Home Guard established by Hitler in 1944 as a last ditch defense against the Allied invasion. Apparently a supply of the Carcanos was readily available to the Germans for this purpose.

    • Jonathan says:

      The rifle in the National Archives is the longer, 40.2″ model.

      Klein’s records appear to show it shipped the 36″ model to A. Hidell.

      • Dan says:

        For what it is worth, the Wikipedia article on the Carcano shows a photo of Commission Exhibit 139, which is identified as an “1891/38 Carcano short rifle” with a 20.9 inch barrel.

    • leslie sharp says:

      At some point, I traced the trajectory of the shipment that included said Carcano. The data is fairly accessible I think, but unfortunately not at my fingertips at the moment. If memory serves, Savage Arms was involved in the shipping through NY, and disbursed the rifles to their wholesale/retail outlets including S. Klein. (I may be wrong about Savage – but if I am correct, it has superficial implications.)

      On the subject of the weapon, some peripheral research uncovered the Remington Arms firm had their Dallas office in the Meadows Building complex where DH Byrd’s wife held her offices. A founding member of the 6th Floor Museum was Gary Weber, who had just left duPont – parent co. of Remington – to open his own investment firm. I worked with Gary’s mother when we were moving hoards of members of the American Society of Petroleum Engineers and the brother organization for geologists to destinations like the Canaries – where Sid Bass had built a magnificent retreat whose architect was the husband of Patsy Swank, stringer for Life magazine who made the call to Dick Stolley.

      • Dan says:

        Could I ask about the Meadows Building complex that you mention? I have not heard of it before and would be interested in knowing what it is. Is Meadows the name of a person?

        • leslie sharp says:

          Located on North Central Expwy. near the SMU exit I believe. Al Meadows founded General American Oil. (I’m working from stream of consciousness/memory and not referring closely to my files or I would elaborate further.) For me the significance was Remington Arms/duPont and Gary Weber who would have had influence over the 6th Fl. Museum in the earliest days.

          I find that disconcerting, primarily because Gary was very young then and only known to insiders. His mother and I also worked with the wife of Bruce Calder who was a very close friend of Sam Ballens who interviewed Oswald at the behest of George deM.

          I had an interview scheduled with Ballen but he died before our schedules meshed.

  3. John Kirsch says:

    This doesn’t bear directly on this post but I wanted to again raise the question of whether anyone ever told the authorities that they saw Oswald himself fire a Mannlicher-Carcano or Mauser or any other type of weapon at the motorcade. I believe the answer is no, which means, I believe, that not only were there no eyewitnesses to Oswald (supposedly) firing at the motorcade, there was also no clear motive on Oswald’s part.

    • Jonathan says:

      Amos Euins, who was 15 years old at the time, saw a man fire a rifle from the sniper’s nest window. He told this to the Warren Commission. From the W.C.:

      SPECTER. Your best recollection at this moment is you still don’t know whether he was a white man or a Negro? All you can say is that you saw a white spot on his head?

      Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir.

      • John Kirsch says:

        Jonathan, thanks for passing this on. amos’s apparent inability to say for sure whether the man he saw was caucasian or a negro (to use the vocabulary of that time) and the white spot on the man’s head just underscores my point. maybe oswald was balding or maybe the light made the man amos saw appear to have a white spot on his head but it seems pretty clear to me that no one has ever been able to definitively put oswald in the “sniper’s nest” with a rifle in his hands when the shooting occurred.

      • leslie sharp says:

        I’m trying to remember the name of the witness known as “four eyes?” He was a metal or steel worker on the construction of the Republic Bank building but his firm was based in Birmingham AL if memory serves. The point being that his eyewitness account was debated because he wore very thick glasses; however I believe that his testimony influenced the Warren Commission as credible.

    • Dan says:

      J. Edgar Hoover told President Johnson in a phone call on 11/23/63 that as to Oswald “The evidence they have at the present time is not very very strong.” This audio tape was erased at some point, but a typed transcript survived with the above quote. An account of this is in the item called “The 14 Minute Gap” on the History Matters website.

      • That is a critically important & intentional erasure from 11/23/63 and it is the equal of the missing 18 minutes on the Watergate tapes (which were probably explicit references to CIA participation in the JFK assassination).

    • leslie sharp says:

      GM: To add to that, if Oswald brought the Carcano into the building with the intention of shooting the president, was he prepared to be arrested so that he could achieve fame? Isn’t that the hallmark of psychopathic killers? Or did he want to survive in freedom so that he would live to kill again (ie. Walker attempt)? In which case, we had a serial political killer in our midst? Implausible.

      No, Oswald slowly and deliberately left the building, passing through the crowds possibly, went toward home – possibly shooting Tippit en route, possibly not – Tippit HAD to be murdered in order for the police to get the call to pursue Oswald, otherwise he was not on the radar with the exception of Truly identifying his absence within minutes of the murder – a point worthy of consideration btw.

      As posted earlier, this conspiracy has been studied by highly credible professors who teach courses about it in the best of universities, hundreds of books have been written, dozens of movies, thousands of interviews, tens of thousands of articles and two commissions.

      If you think about it, had Chapman (acting alone and suffering from a pathology) been successful in killing Reagan would any of the the above have ensued? No, the murder would have been written off as having been committed by a lone nut/psychopathic individual. Can we attach the same description to Oswald and let the case rest?

      In an “Oswald acted alone, with the Carcano” scenario, the only aspect of his murder of Kennedy which separates him from Chapman’s attempt on Reagan is that Chapman was in close proximity to Reagan. That is the only difference. And that defies logic. Why a 6 story perch, risking interference by fellow employees or a jammed rifle? Why the machinations to establish himself in the depository in the first place? He had skills beyond stacking and unstacking boxes which qualified him for better positions (a study of his history with the Texas Employment is worthwhile, and a review of his various interviews including Sam Ballen, close friend of George deM). Why the mail order rifle when he could walk into any store or buy one from the Minutemen? Why the nonchalance after the fact? Why did he want Kennedy dead? Why indeed.

      • John Kirsch says:

        leslie, your point about chapman being physically close to reagan brings up an interesting aspect of the jfk assassination, even though, of course reagan survived and kennedy didn’t. jfk was the only president who was assassinated by a person firing a rifle. all the other assassinations, lincoln, garfield, mckinley, were carried out by men with handguns who got physically close to their targets before firing. i’ve always thought, as a non-expert, that the use of a rifle implied that being able to fire from a place of concealment was important for the person who actually did the shooting. and it follows logically that if you want to fire from a concealed place, it’s because you want to get away. and if you want to get away, it follows, again, that you would have some reasonably well-organized plan for escaping. but oswald’s actions after the shooting seem erratic and even panicked. Actually, the RFK assassination falls much more neatly into the historic pattern of presidential assassinations than the JFK ambush.

        • leslie sharp says:

          JK: I agree about the RFK comparison except for the forensic evidence that suggests more bullets were fired. A poignant fact: the video of his last speech shows that as he was leaving the stage, he turned to his right and took several steps before he was stopped, redirected to the left and to his death.

          I think that the comparison between Chapman and Oswald is significant in spite of the fact that Reagan survived when viewed in the context of how the two men were assessed after the act, both being labeled pathological, lone nut killers. Therefore I believe it is essential to drop the “lone nut” designation when referring to Oswald because clearly he was no such individual. To use it is to join the cover up.

        • Richard Alexander says:

          I think it is an important point that JFK was also the only president who was targeted for assassination while he was riding in a moving vehicle. If you wanted to kill someone who is a passenger in a slow-moving convertible, would you stand on the side of a crowded street with a pistol and hope you could hit your target as he passed by, or get up high with a rifle where you could track your target before firing? Also, Kennedy might not have been Oswald’s first assassination target; he might have been the mystery assassin who attempted to murder Edwin A. Walker on April 10, 1963, using a rifle. Apparently, Oswald did not want to get close to his targets; hence, the rifle.

          • Jonathan says:

            The best shot I’ve ever known was my cousin, who could reliably bag pheasants and rabbits in an open field with .410 shotgun. Thing about a shotgun is, you’ve got to be good but not perfect.

            Oswald, according to the official story, had to be perfect on two tries and miss wildly on a third try.

            Perfect is one thing with open sights, no time constraints, and a fixed, highly visible target. As Oswald practiced against in the Marines with an M-1 rifle, a superb 30.06 semi-automatic weapon. Oswald was rated a sharpshooter and then a marksman. His shooting ability was not great in the Marines and went downhill.

            If one believes the official story, Oswald used a cheap rifle with poor lands and grooves, a difficult bolt action, and a misaligned sight to make his two perfect shots.

            My comments are: (a) Maybe he was lucky. (b) Try selling this story to a jury in a trial of Oswald.

      • leslie sharp says:

        Tks. I don’t know about you, but I see things sliding down a slippery slope when individuals like Epstein – with decades of study under his belt – begin to falter. Regardless of anyone’s inside knowledge of the man, he is well-regarded by many uninformed Americans and will influence this debate much the same as he has in the past.

      • Jonathan says:

        Yes, and to your point that “Tippit HAD to be murdered in order for the police to get the call to pursue Oswald,” Tippit’s killer left a billfold with Oswald’s ID and a Hidell ID at the murder scene.

        Re Chapman: He shot John Lennon. John “I did it for Jodie Foster” Hinckley, Jr. shot Reagan. Chapman is a very, very odd duck, though.

        • leslie sharp says:

          How embarrassing. I’ve been walking around thinking ‘what is niggling at me?’ and that was it! Many thanks, and mea culpa!

          I missed the billfold as well; does his having killed Tippitt change the theory entirely for you? It has been suggested that Tippitt was there for a reason and that Oswald presumed it was to shoot him, so he preempted him. Do you find that credible?

          In either scenario, the police could not have legitimately been en route to find Oswald without that incident (unless they were headed to Oswald’s rented apt?) and yet they seem to have been poised en masse to attack the Texas Theatre within minutes. The whole scene appears staged in my view.

        • Jonathan says:

          Tippit’s murder is truly the Rosetta Stone of the assassination mystery.

          No, I don’t believe LHO killed Tippet. One of many reasons: Tippit’s killer discarded a light-colored, medium-sized jacket Marina says wasn’t Oswald’s and could never, ever be tied to Oswald.

          The billfold ploy was also ¨sed to set up James Earl Ray. Crude b¨t effective.

      • Paul May says:

        From the time Oswald returned from Russia in June, 1962 his life had spiraled out of control. He literally had nothing left in November, 1963. Firstly I don’t believe Oswald wanted JFK dead specifically. He wanted the POTUS dead regardless of who it happened to be. Oswald believed in chaos. As for admitting the crime, I spoke with Robert Oswald in 1999. He believed Lee would ultimately have confessed to the crime had he gone to trial. He wanted celebrity in front of the entire world.

        • leslie sharp says:

          Not one aspect of your observation answers the thousands of questions about Oswald and events leading to the assassination.

          Ask yourself why this same in depth analysis was not made about Hinckley (thanks Jonathan!)

          Personally, I believe that sibling prejudice should be considered when accepting Robert’s statements. This could not have been easy on his family, and we know that from the outset after the assassination, Marina and Marguerite were being controlled. It is not implausible to think that Robert may have been as well.

        • If Oswald wanted infamous celebrity from the world, why did he consistently deny the crime and say he was a mere patsy?

          It’s not like he wrote Jody Foster a love letter, or said “Allahu Akbar” I’m doing this for the Prophet Muhammad. Let’s see what Marguerite Oswald said about her son Lee:

          “We are a patriotic family. All my three children volunteered for service in the armed forces. Lee wanted to enlist in the Marines at sixteen years old – he was rejected as being too young. But he was a member of the Cadet Aviation Corps, and they wanted to make him a pilot – the American Air Force doesn’t normally recruit young people whose patriotism is in doubt. An officer often came by the house to talk to Lee. That’s how he came to read Das Kapital; but at the same time he learned by heart the big wordy manual, The Perfect Marine. At seventeen, he enlisted, and his letters said he was happy. He was decorated. He did not receive a medal for being a sharp-shooter; it was his battalion which received that distinction … but the police and the press lied, making the world believe that my son was a champion rifle-shot.

          “I am sure that the Marines trained Lee to be a secret agent. True, he did not tell me so, nor does anyone say so today. But since when did secret agents tell their mothers what they were doing? Or the secret services acknowledge their members?
          “Lee was never in contact with the Communists. If he became a Marxist, it was because the Marines made a Marxist of him …
          “Lee decided all in a minute to go to Russia … as if he’d received an order. He, always so truthful with me, told me that he was going to get on a cargo-boat for Europe. How could he, in the two days he stayed with me after leaving the military base, have arranged so quickly to get a passport, a Soviet visa and a passage to Russia?

          [Nerin Gun, “Red Roses From Texas” p. 206]

        • Jonathan says:

          Oswald’s life didn’t spiral out of control; that’s false. He did not earn much money, but he loved Marina and June and Rachel. That counts for a WHOLE lot. In my book.

          Marina was frustrated (read her W.C. testimony) by his game-playing. I don’t place much stock in what she said then, because she was being leaned upon by the FBI (again, read her W.C. testimony). But Marina admitted to the W.C. she was playing Lee.

          A fair reading of Oswald’s action’s in 1963 suggests he was being used and manipulated by an intelligence agency.

          He was kept hungry, not well fed; although on 11/22/63 he left $170 in cash for Marina.

          Paul, either you are not a serious student of the JFK assassination or you seek to spread untruths.

        • John Kirsch says:

          I’ve always been struck by how calm and in control Oswald appears in the footage from the Dallas police headquarters. As for the theory that he wanted fame — i’ve seen photos of the motorcade where people were almost close enough to the president to shake his hand. If what Oswald wanted was instant fame (or rather infamy) why didn’t he take his handgun and walk up to the president and shoot him point-blank? Then the whole world would have seen what he had done. The notion of Oswald as fame junkie doesn’t fly.

          • G W Young says:

            Fame junkies are far more gratified by months of publicity while going through a trial with nation wide coverage that lasts for months.

            An attempt to simply walk up to Kennedy and shoot him with a pistol was unlikely to be successful with the security Kennedy had in Dallas.
            Being shot dead on the spot by secret service agents without acheiving his objective would not have accomplished any of Oswald’s goals.
            Being tackled and disarmed by some alert deputy then spending the rest of his life in prison for a failed assasination attempt would have made him a laughing stock.

    • Dr TCH says:

      What’s more, John…Oswald’s ownership of the carbine was tenuous…and the cheek GSR test came back negative, establishing that he had fired no weapon on that day. This was categorically a frame-job.

  4. Joe G. says:

    Weizmann and Fritz told the Warren Commission it was a Mauser. The rifle was clearly stamped 7.65mm while the Carcano was clearly stamped “Made in Italy.” Roger Craig said that it was pointed out at the time that the rifle had “7.65mm” stamped on it. A report was made indicating it was so; incidentally, no corresponding report coming from the Dallas police ever said it was a Carcano. There is also the interesting fact that the Mauser is a much more plausible weapon to be used in an assassination scenario and the AARB turned up an envelope from the Dallas FBI office indicating a 7.65mm shell had been found in Dealey Plaza. The rifle became a Carcano because that was the rifle Alex Hidell ordered.

  5. Harry says:

    From Micheal T. Griffith: Extra Bullets and Missed Shots in Dealey Plaza:

    “Among the files released by the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) was an FBI evidence envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122). Although the envelope was empty, the cover indicated it had contained a 7.65 mm rifle shell that had been found in Dealey Plaza after the shooting. The envelope is dated 2 December 1963, so the shell was found sometime between 11/22/63 and 12/2/63. Nothing was known about the discovery of this shell until the FBI evidence envelope was released along with other assassination-related files.”

  6. Jonathan says:

    Was a Mauser found at the TSBD?

    The facts are that the police reports filed said a Mauser was found.

    Four police officers initially said a Mauser was found: Boone, Craig, Fritz, and Weizmann. Boon, Fritz, and Weizmann changed their tune and went on to have good careers with the DPD. Roger Craig never changed his tune and wound up shooting himself to death in the chest with a rifle.

    • Paul May says:

      Your implication being? Roger Craig had deep personal as well as psychological issues. No surprise about his suicide.

      • leslie sharp says:

        Paul, surely you’re uncomfortable going down the suicide trail?

        • Paul May says:

          Are you referring to Craig? If so Leslie please post anything relevant showing something else.

          • leslie sharp says:

            No. I haven’t followed the Craig debate closely. My reference was to suicides relating to the assassination given that you broached the subject.

          • Paul May says:

            Leslie, no doubt you are familiar with Mary Ferrell. Mary had a relationship of sorts with Gary Craig. Here is what Mary had to say:

            I knew Roger Craig for several years before his death. It is my belief
            that Roger was a very sick young man. He had made a name for himself as a
            very promising young law enforcement officer. When he came forward with
            some of the “stories” he told following the events of that November
            weekend, he believed that he would be offered a great deal of money and,
            possibly, speaking engagements. I am very sorry to say that I am one of
            the few conspiracy nuts who never believed Roger Craig. When Roger made a number of speeches about the fact that “they” prevented him from getting a job, I talked my husband into giving him a job. Roger
            did not want to work. He wanted people to give him money because he had
            “seen something or other.”
            I have made enemies because I have continued to say that I have never
            really believed him.
            Mary Ferrell

            I had the opportunity to chat with Mary several times before her untimely death. Craig came up several times in conversation. Mary sounded almost embarrassed by Craig’s activities.

          • Paul May says:

            Apologies Leslie. I mean Roger Craig, not Gary. Mea Culpa :-) .

      • Jonathan says:

        All right, Paul.

        Whatever version of history you wish.

        Please tell: In your view how many shots were fired, and from where, so as to account for (a) JFK’s wounds, (b) Connally’s wounds, and (c) Tague’s wounds.

        • Paul may says:

          Three shots from above and behind because that is what the available evidence shows us.

          • George Simmons says:

            There is much evidence which suggests the head shot came from the front.
            Multiple witnessess at the scene stated they believed the shots came from the grassy knoll.
            The doctors at Parkland Hospital, describing a entrance wound to the neck, and an exit wound to the head.
            Governor Connollys insistence that the single bullett theory was incorrect, and that the bullett which hit him was not the bullett which hit the president.
            The Zapruder film.

    • John McAdams says:

      Fritz denied to the WC that he had said “Mauser,” although Boone said he thought Boone said that.

      Craig most certainly changed his story. This is an interview in the March 1968 Los Angeles Free Press. FP is “Free Press,” PJ is “Penn Jones,” and RC is “Roger Craig.”

      Craig Interview

  7. leslie sharp says:

    Didn’t the Dallas force immediately get in touch with the S, Klein’s manager who was able, very quickly, to trace the life of the gun? Or am I confusing that time line?

    If so – and with all that should have been done – to stop and trace the rifle (to establish a paper trail for a press release?) seems odd.

    I’m feeling the presence of Vince Salandria …. ‘they will wear you down!’

  8. Ian Griggs, who believes a conspiracy killed JFK, says it was a Mannlicher-Carcano that was found- which does not mean that it was used in the JFK assassination.

    For years I believed Roger Craig’s account of a Mauser, but I may be leaning more to a Mannlicher-Carcano being found (planted) on 6th floor TSBD:

    http://www.amazon.com/No-Case-Answer-Ian-Griggs/dp/0977465705/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365540398&sr=8-1&keywords=ian+griggs+no+case+to+answer

  9. leslie sharp says:

    RM: Have you studied the period when Oswald was in NYC? Aside from the theory that there was both a Lee and a Harvey, that stage of Oswald’s life would have been crucial in his development.

  10. leslie sharp says:

    Jonathan: I now realize your point about the billfold. A very solid piece of evidence, and yet a very careless mistake by Oswald, the man who contrived to kill Kennedy, the man whose motive was to “create chaos.”

    • Paul May says:

      Leslie, Jonathan actually brought up the suicide issue regarding Craig. I simply responded to it. For myself, it’s not a matter of comfort in discussing various subjects. Craig has been endorsed over the years by various conspiracy theorists as a reliable source on the events of 11/22 concerning the Carcano versus Mauser issue.

    • Jonathan says:

      Leslie,

      When Oswald was taken at the Texas Theater, he was found to be carrying his own wallet, containing a library card for someone else.

      The Tippit crime scene holds the key to the ground-level events on 11-22-63.

      Imagine you’re a plotter. You have two basic objectives. Kill JFK. Frame a patsy. And maybe a third objective: make it look like the patsy was working for the soviets or for Castro.

      JFK has to be killed. Not because of Cuba. But because he is seeking to end the Cold War (a dangerous matter c. 1963).

      With JFK out of the way, the path is clear for the Georgetown crowd to plough into Viet Nam.

      • leslie sharp says:

        Jonathan: So we agree that Tippitt had to be murdered – that he was called to the location where someone was waiting, and that someone shot him, planted a billfold that would incriminate Oswald and fled – meanwhile, Oswald was en route to his boarding house to get … what? … change clothes or? and proceeded to the Texas Theatre where he had been instructed to rendezvous with someone who was going to get him out of the city (thinking of the idling plane at Red Bird if that has been validated)? If I were writing this movie, that’s how it would play.

        Now, I would like to hear a specific rebuttal to this theory, evidence that proves this did not happen.

        • Bill Pierce says:

          >>Now, I would like to hear a specific rebuttal to this theory, evidence that proves this did not happen.<<

          Obviously no one can disprove your theory. Unfortunately your theory requires clairvoyance and a lot of luck. And it doesn't make much sense.

          This all had to be preplanned, right? How could the conspirators know that Oswald would not be locked down at the TSBD? How could they know that he wouldn't get trapped in a traffic jam?

          Did they choose Tippit beforehand? How did they lure him to the scene? How could they be sure that Tippit would stop their guy? How did they know that Tippit's murder would be witnessed? Did the conspirators know that Oswald's revolver had been rechambered to fire .38 specials, and did they supply a similarly modified weapon to the guy who killed Tippit? What are the odds? How did they know that Oswald would arm himself at his rooming house? If he weren't carrying a gun, wouldn't that have been a problem?

          How did they know that a shoe store clerk would see someone who looked like Oswald sneaking into the theater? What if the clerk was busy with something else? What if it was raining? How would that affect their plans? (At one point I had a list of about fifty such questions.)

          Reality: The shoe store clerk identified Oswald at the theater. Under interrogation Oswald admitted that he was carrying a gun when arrested. (He never accused the police of planting it.) The gun matched the mail order weapon and it matched the type of worn and modified weapon used in Tippit's murder. There are better, simpler theories for Oswald's actions after 1:00 o'clock. There's no reason to make him innocent of Tippit's murder. (Hint: Don't get stuck on Martino's story. Conceivably he was just filling in some missing blanks to make sense of the plot as he knew it.)

  11. Jason L. says:

    I tend to agree that the clip is probably a more interesting story than the Mauser. The fact is that the clip should have fallen out of the gun as soon as the last round was chambered, so the pictures showing the gun with the clip in are head scratchers.

  12. leslie sharp says:

    Paul: I wasn’t familiar with the Mary Ferrell story. And of course suicides are committed by some who fell within the parameters of the Kennedy assassination. I do believe that each should be scrutinized closely. Thanks for this info on Craig.

  13. leslie sharp says:

    PM: One last question: Was Craig the sole source of testimony about the Mauzer-Carcano confusion? I may not be following this closely enough when it’s clearly significant.

    • Paul May says:

      Craig maintained his story until 1968 when he did an interview with the Los Angeles Free Press. During the interview he was asked if he had handled the rifle. His response:

      Roger Craig was interviewed in 1968 by the Los Angeles Free Press. In that interview he was asked if he handled the rifle. This was his response:

      “Yes, I did. I couldn’t give its name because I don’t know foreign rifles, I know it was foreign made, and you loaded it downward into a built-in clip. The ID man took it and ejected one live round from it. The scope was facing north, the bolt facing upwards and the trigger south.”

      When Craig was interviewed for “Two Men in Dallas,” Craig claimed “7.65 Mauser” was actually stamped on the barrel. So which is it?

      So much ambiguity from Craig Leslie.

      • leslie sharp says:

        Paul: tks. It would have been extremely inconvenient for there to have been two rifles, less so for there to have been one which was misidentified, and more curious for either or both to have been left in the location to have been readily found. Authors of chaos were indeed present, but Oswald was not an author, he was a character in their story.

  14. leslie sharp says:

    Jonathan: It’s critical to include in any argument involving Marina the details of where she was in the immediate aftermath of the assassination and who she was with. After one night in a hotel near the LBJ Freeway – and I believe (do not quote me yet on this) that she encountered Dick Stolley in this location – she was moved to Six Flags Over Texas which was owned by the Wynne family. As I’ve pointed out before, there were literally dozens of hotels with ample security and obscurity between LBJ and Arlington, so the choice of Six Flags had to have been based on something. I think it was PD Scott who first made this connection. A counter argument could be made that it was close to the Paine’s home, but that in and of itself introduces a further and obvious curiosity.

    • Jonathan says:

      Leslie,

      Marina is key.

      In 1964, she nailed her husband. When shown the purported Carcano, told the W.C., “the fateful rifle of Lee Oswald”, at which point Earl Warren “admits” the rifle into evidence.

      She told the W.C. she never saw Lee practicing with the rifle.

      In recent years, Marina has said LHO was innocent. June has said, let’s see the facts. I applaud June.

  15. common sense says:

    Well, I see that the conspiracy Wolkenkuckucksheim is well populated. Jonathan, please explain to us why witnesses to the Tippit murder identified Oswald as the murderer out of not one, not two, but three separate police lineups. Please tell us why Marina’s comment about the jacket has any bearing whatsoever when she wasn’t even living with him but the housekeeper who was identified it? Isn’t it much more likely that Oswald got rid of his billfold so as to not have ID on his person, rather than to have some conspiracy secretly plant it while a half dozen witnesses were standing by? Was some secret ray gun used to blind them and at the same time cause mass hyteria so that they would pick the same innocent guy out of multiple lineups? If this Mauser nonsense is so significant why was Walter Cronkite reporting that the weapon was a “Manlicther Charcono” within 6 hours of the assassination? That’s on YouTube. All of the networks reported that a secret service agent was killed in the shooting. Where is the body? Why are they covering that up? Could it be that in the moment THEY MADE A MISTAKE? Could it be that multiple police officers who had never even heard of a Carcano but who had seen Mausers (one of the most common European bolt-action rifles) might mistake the similarly appearing Italian rifle for being one? Leslie Sharp, if you don’t know about Oswald’s time in NYC and that school district’s identification of Oswald as a sociopath you might want to study it. It is a classic story of an alienated loner with severe psychological issues-hardly a candidate for any conspiracy, or frankly any close human interaction.

    • Jonathan says:

      Hey, common sense. You want to communicate to me?

      Use elegant grammar.

    • leslie sharp says:

      CS: I am well informed about Youth House. I have tracked his doctor(s). I see suggestions that they were functioning under pressure, and I know of one particular coincidence involving one of them which no thinking individual could accept as such. I even know who the attorney was for Youth House and know his affiliations with major corporations. I also know that the facility was associated with Columbia University where one of it’s star social scientists was establishing a serious bona fides in the field. I also know of a distinct connection to the Human Ecology experiments taking place at Cornell University during the same period.

      Is it necessary for you to resort to this? “Wolkenkuckucksheim.” Is that a term taught at the higher levels of education? I prefer not to engage in the spirit you are displaying, but you obviously recognize that it is impossible to allow your observations to go unchallenged.

    • Louise says:

      Here is a good answer to your question “explain how witnesses identified Oswald out of a line up 3 times:” IF you really are interested in the answer! :)

      http://www.giljesus.com/Tippit/police_lineups.htm

  16. Jonathan says:

    Pay no attention to common sense.

    He presents (to use a medical term) as a disbelieving person.

    Fine.

    Except he’s ignorant and arrogant.

  17. leslie sharp says:

    CS:

    ” . . . why was Walter Cronkite reporting that the weapon was a “Manlicther Charcono” within 6 hours of the assassination? That’s on YouTube.

    ” . . . All of the networks reported that a secret service agent was killed in the shooting. Where is the body?”

    In my view, you can’t have it both ways. And in PD Moynihan’s view: “you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.:

  18. common sense says:

    “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain”. Jonathan, unless Lee was taking target practice in the backyard why would you think that Marina would have seen him practicing with the rifle? Did she go to the range with him? Did she go with him out to the country and set up targets? More to the point,exactly how would she know what he was doing with the rifle when he wasn’t even living with him? I don’t believe that I used any medical terms today,but feel free to correct that statement if you have identified one.
    I find in general that when people start losing an argument they start to fall back to the “you’re stupid” argument and insults.I am reminded of Harry Truman-”I don’t give them hell, I tell them the truth and they think that’s hell.”

  19. common sense says:

    Jonathan, how can you explain the Tippit line ups?

  20. common sense says:

    Now I get it- the Dallas PD put the real A. Hidell in those lineups. Earlier in the day they programmed him to shoot Tippit. After they took him back into custody they secretly planted the same gun on Lee. Lee just wanted to go to the movies on his lunch break and see that hit “War is Hell”-everybody wanted to see it.
    Yea,that’s the ticket. Actually it was free-he didn’t even need a ticket. He always spent his Fridays going to the movies. I can’t believe that I couldn’t see it.

  21. Curt says:

    Interesting discussion on Oswald and TSBD. I think he falls in a gray area-somewhere between being totally innocent and firing the fatal shot (also see 1963 SS renactment video at end of this write up):
    .
    On the involvement side: Marina always said he admired JFK, so why wasn’t he out watching the motorcade? Also, if it was a total frame up, the conspirators would have to know where he was at the given time–if Oswald had decided to go out with other workers and watch the parade, the set up wouldn’t have worked. Then, instead of lingering in the crowd after the shots as everyone else does, he goes home and gets his gun, having been intentionally dropped off a block or two from his actual rooming house. Personally, I believe he was in the lunchroom during the shooting. Why have him on the 6th floor when you can have some professional killers shoot, and by being in the lunchroom, there’s less risk of him being captured. Oswald already worked there, so that’s one strike against him already. His knowledge of logistics in the Depository may have been helpful to the plotters.

    Okay, now evidence he wasn’t the shooter: Carolyn Arnold sees him on the ground or second floor at 12:15 the same time Arnold Rowland and others see two men in the TSBD 6th floor window (he sees time on Hertz sign on TSBD flash 12:15). Why would he leave three spent shells the floor? Answer: because they were intended to be found–suggesting a set up. But perhaps Oswald’s role was to serve as a willing fall guy, perhaps not totally knowledgable about his co-conspirators. Motive still not clear.

    My theory on the shots. Consider the first shot was reported to sound more like a firecracker, different from the rest, and SS agents turning around to their rear (as shown in Altgens) photo. Seems convincing first shot came from TSBD, could well be exhibit 399 that lodged in his back and fell out. Second gunman from rear hits Connally, third and fatal shot from grassy knoll, and a fourth shot from the rear which may be the missed Tague shot, its angle tracks much closer to the Da Tex building than the TSBD.

    Check out his 1963 Secret Service video recreating path of JFK limo, JFK an unbelievable easy target as the limo approaches the TSBD, if it had only been the alleged shooter Oswald.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1TfcW21Vxo&list=PL9767BFA28EA17B78&index=1

    • leslie sharp says:

      Curt: I think that is a very interesting hypothesis. It will be interesting to see if others can challenge it in stages.

      I would add that 1) the depository business itself was the backdrop and certain characters involved in the business were privy to the plan 2) the umbrella man (no, he did not fire darts at the motorcade) was the spotter – his actions served to signal the direct hit as well as align the target.

  22. common sense says:

    The umbrella man was identified years ago. He said that he was making a political statement,equating JFK with Neville Chamberlain.,ergo the umbrella. But hey,the conspiracy crowd likes to believe that he shot JFK with a curare tipped flèche tote to ” set him up for the fatal shot”. Curt your theories about Oswald and the TSBD are entertaining but not logical. The only thing I agree with is wondering why Oswald didn’t take the shot as the limo turned to the left to go toward the triple underpass. From the sixth floor he couldn’t have missed, but he may have felt too exposed. Or perhaps he didn’t have the nerve to see his victim’s face.
    At any rate your scenarios are like doing a tonsillectomy through the rectum. Wouldn’t it be much simpler to accept the fact that the only scenario that doesn’t require insanely complex and illogical actions is that Oswald fired 3 shots,dropped the rifle and left the building so he wouldn’t be caught?

    • leslie sharp says:

      The umbrella man was not old enough (or wise enough in my opinion) to have understood the Chamberlain nuance. At best, he might have been coached. None of what you state explains why he walked approximately 8 blocks from the Rio Grande National Life Ins. building to position himself at the very end of the parade when there were numerous spots along the route that would have been suitable. I have watched his interview and my personal assessment is that he is frightened and unsure of his playbook.

      • Pablo says:

        I was looking at some photos of the motorcade and noticed that there were 3 spectators holding umbrellas (closed). This illustrates to me that there were at least 4 individuals that were prepared for the possibility of rainfall, and makes “umbrella man” seem a little less out of the ordinary.
        I think that it would be much more productive for those who have the desire to further the case for conspiracy, to concentrate on the facts. Spending limited and precious energy bickering about theories and hypotheses serves only to “wear you down” and allow the dialogue be focused on non facts. A skilled debater will continually steer the line of questioning back to the facts, while deflecting and ignoring his opponents attempts to avoid the facts. For 50 years we have been dealing with a disinformation machine that has used its understanding of human psychology and behavior to create doubt and confusion with regard to the assassination. (Know you enemy). It is up to we, the truth seekers, to rise above the temptation to argue over hypotheses, and spend our time searching for more truths.

        • More common sense says:

          Personally I believe Oswald did it, the question being, why? To see these same repetitive ill informed arguments backed up with increasingly ridiculous problem solving scenarios is tiring. You talk of facts then bring up umbrella man..?!?
          When engaging in “research” try to look at all view points and consider them objectively instead of searching out the “facts” that fit your belief.

          Try this http://www.jfkfiles.com/index.html you really won’t like it but I’d be interested to learn where they’ve gone wrong.

    • leslie sharp says:

      If you are weary and searching for the simplest of answers, that is entirely understandable.

      Perhaps the Warren Commission too would have benefited from those with the capacity for critical thinking and/or less institutionally indoctrinated minds.

  23. common sense says:

    Not old enough? That is about the strangest answer I have seen. How old do you have to be to understand history, to have knowledge of a historical figure? If I wasn’t old enough to remember the Kennedy assassination I couldn’t comment on it or have an opinion? That’s nonsense.
    The simplest answers are almost always the correct answers. Occam’s razor. The more complicated a theory is the less likely it is to be true. A theory that professional killers were shooting from the TSBD simultaneously with a shooter on the grassy knoll while planting 3 shells to frame Oswald and somehow then getting Oswald to leave the building and go back to his room and pick up his gun and then get framed for killing a second individual and then run into a theater without buying a ticket and then shooting a third person unsuccessfully because that person’s thumb blocks the trigger while Oswald says ” it’s all over now” at the same time that a rifle that Oswald’s wife took a picture of him holding is discovered on a sixth floor of a building that unknown strangers used as a sniper’s nest while eating fried chicken and being completely unnoticed by anybody else despite never having worked at building and and and- is simply too complex to be logical or likely.

    • heather says:

      We agree.

      The simple thing would have been for Oswald to buy a gun from anywhere and take advantage of the lax security and shoot Kennedy on the parade route.

      Better yet use the easier shot available to him from TSBD. Instead he fired 3 shots that were so difficult that most sharpshooters could only dream of making.

      That ‘simple’ explanation defies logic.

    • leslie sharp says:

      Have you considered that the genius behind the conspiracy studied that razor of Occam’s and devised the plan, and that certain members of the Warren Commission had the same handbook?

  24. common sense says:

    Never shot a rifle, have you Heather? The three shot scenario has been excuted multiple times by multiple organizations on multiple media sites in even less time than we now know Oswald had-beginning with CBS in 1964. The claim that Oswald couldn’t make the shots is pure baloney. Whether you like it or not Oswald was able to make USMC Sharpshooter-that is a matter of public record. That makes him about an average shot among the some of the most expert riflemen in the world. And the most amazing thing about Oswald’s markmanship record is that like most everything else he did in the Corps he didn’t even care to make his best effort.

  25. heather says:

    Not Surprised but you did not address my point at all. You basically ignore or bypass any point you do not have an answer and make sure you add an insult in any response.

  26. G W Young says:

    There are several models of 7.65 Mauser rifle. Those most commonly encountered as surplus rifles during the 1960′s were the 1891 Argentine Mauser, the 1909 Argentine Mauser, and the 1989 Belgian Mauser.
    The 1909 resembled the 7.92 Caliber Gew 98 Mauser used by Germany in WW1.
    The 1891 and 1889 Mausers resembled the Italian Manlicher Carcano. Each of these rifles had a slim single row box magazine that protruded from the bottom of the stock ahead of the trigger guard.
    The 1909 Mauser had a double row magazine that did not protrude.

    The markings on military rifles are notoriously hard to make out, most especially when the metal is worn, dinged up or dirty. It would be fairly easy to mistake a 6.5 for a 7.65 marking if that was what you expected to see.
    Best way to examine markings is to clean the metal and rub chalk or light colored grease pencil over it to fill in the stampings.

  27. SV Anderson says:

    The Mauser–Carcano issue is a red herring that leads nowhere. Clearly Boone and Weitzman were mistaken with their hurried initial identification and neither one EVER said later they were intimidated ot coerced to change their story by “powers that be.” Besides all bullet fragments and the one intact bullet recovered from the Connally stretcher matched Oswald’s rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons on the planet. We do not have any bullets in existence today that were associated with the assassination of President Kennedy that do not match the Mannlicher-Carcano purchased, handled, owned, and fired by Lee Harvey Oswald. His prints were on it, it was found where he worked, and it was missing from his wife’s residence.

    End of issue.

  28. G W Young says:

    The Mannlicher Carcano has a Mannlicher magazine that loads by use of an “Enbloc” clip. Unlike the Mauser stripper clip the enbloc clip stays in the magazine until the last cartridge in the magazine has been chambered by movement of the bolt.

    The rifle can pnly be used as a repeater if the enbloc clip is present in the magazine.
    When empty the enbloc clip will either fall free through a square opening in the bottom of the magazine or be pushed out by loading a fresh clip.
    If only three shots were fired the clip would remain in the magazine unless pulled out from the top.

    The Winchester brand 6.5 ammunition Oswald used was noted for the bullets breaking in half inside a wound. The jackets of these bullets were not properly annealed and the process of crimping the bullet into the case mouth caused cracks a bit more than halfway back from the nose.

    One bullet nose was found and mis identified as a .25 (6.35mm) ACP pistol bullet, which would be about the same size as a broken off 6.5mm bullet nose.

  29. Rick Mires says:

    Where was Oswald’s wallet found exactly. In the squad car or on the street? I’m sure he would have picked it up before reloading . Tippet was probably dead by them.

  30. bob moore says:

    There was a picture on the front page of a Greensboro, N.C. news paper on Nov.22,1963 that showed agents holding a rifle and ammo that they had just found in that building. The rifle was an Argentine Mauser Model 1891 7.65 and the ammo had pointed projectiles, not rounded like a Carcano uses. I remember full well because I had one just like it and I went and got it and showed it to my wife. One of the detectives had been a gun smith and he said it was a mauser and read the information off of the receiver.

  31. John says:

    The Italians recently did tests on an identical Carcano rifle made in 1940. I think it was the makers or their military. The fastest they could get off three rounds was approx. 19 seconds in ideal conditions not hanging out of a window. They also at 80 yards fired it through sides of beef and got very different results.

    Has anyone timed a Mauser 7.65 in the fastest 3 rounds? How would that gun hold up to the conditions out of that window?

    • Beezup says:

      I just watched a re-run of a PBS Nova show titled “Cold Case JFK,” first aired 11-13-13. It focused on forensic autopsy (which was never conducted, mistakenly) and the terminal ballistics of 6.5 M-C ammo. Several notable bits were shown (and, oddly, never addressed in the program):
      film of the test-firing of a Mannlicher-Carcano at the range by an experienced forensic ballitician (who probably was not born in ’63, and may have little experience with boltguns) showed a notably clunky/balky bolt action;
      he actually jammed the action with a stovepipe empty ejection;
      there was film of this team firing into white pine boards, ballistic gel, and ballistic soap, and vintage film of firing into a gel-filled human skull, and none of these targets displayed the reactive movement back toward the shooter predicted by the “jet-nozzle exit effect” proponents.
      Useful info from the show:
      JFK’s jacket showed the smudgy soot of an entrance wound in his back/neck/shoulder (and that jacket, shirt and tie was left behind in Dallas, so the pathologists in Bethesda did not have essential info);
      the Bethesda pathologists saw the wound in his back, but the exit at the throat was obscured by the previous Dallas attempted tracheotomy;
      the Mannlicher ammo tended to remain axially stable in target media, but tumble upon re-emergence (as in, leaving JFK’s throat). This is consistent with the elongated entry in Connally’s inital jacket wound, and also consistent with the smooshed-along-its-length profile of the so-called “pristine” stretcher/Magic Bullet.
      In regard to timing of the shots, please consider that the shooter of a Mannlicher would presumably begin with a loaded rifle, so the sequence would be:
      Fire the first round;
      first bolt action to eject the fired case, cock the striker, feed a fresh round, and re-lock the breech;
      reacquire the target and Fire the second round;
      second bolt to eject, cock, feed and re-lock;
      reacquire the target and Fire the third round.
      The sequence of “Bang, click-click, Bang, click-click, Bang” seems like it’s possible in 6-10 seconds for any rifleman experienced with his weapon; whether that particular rifle, ammo, and man could hit that intermediate-size moving target at that intermediate distance is still up for discussion. LHO’s rickety, misaligned cheapie scope might be a red herring, as a good rifleman could just as easliy use the gun’s stock military iron sights. I’ve never seen any discussion of where those sights were aligned.

  32. Alfred says:

    Where are the crime scene photos?

  33. Hoeras says:

    “There was another rifle in the building. Warren Caster had two rifles, a 30.06 Mauser and a .22 for his son..” Lee Harvey Oswald speaking to Captain Fritz in Fritz’s office.

    Why would Oswald say this? Was there really another gun in the building where Oswald worked? A Mauser?

    Yes, there was… read on.

    Questioned by the Warren Commission, Warren Caster, who had an office in the building, admitted he had a Mauser 30.06 – just as Oswald had told Fritz.

    Mr. BALL. Did you ever bring any guns into the School Book Depository Building?

    Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.

    Mr. BALL. When?

    Mr. CASTER. I believe it was on Wednesday, November 20, during the noon hour.

    Mr. BALL. Whose guns were they?

    Mr. CASTER. They were my guns.

    Mr. BALL. And what kind of guns were they?

    Mr. CASTER. One gun was a Remington, single-shot, .22 rifle, and the other was a .30-06 sporterized Mauser.

    Mr. BALL. Who owned them?

    Mr. CASTER. I had just purchased them during the noon hour that day.

    Very odd.

    Independently Roger Craig, Deputy Sheriff, always insisted they had found a Mauser and he was standing only three feet away when it was found. How could Oswald know this? He was not there when the gun was found. Just a very curious coincidence that is difficult to fathom?

    I am making no conclusions, simply pointing towards something very curious indeed.

    Often the truth is far more strange than fiction.

  34. Richard says:

    If you believe the Warren Commission then you believe there was no cover up at any time during the investigation. I find that impossible given all the EXAMPLES:

    1. Jackie Kennedy’s first reaction after the head shot was to jump on the BACK of the limo to retrieve a piece of her husband’s skull and at least one motorcycle cop riding behind had blood and tissue on his cheek. Not to mention that many witnesses stated that the back of his head exploded in a rear trajectory. How could this happen if the shot entered the rear of the head? If that was the case then the front of his head would have exploded out. And how is it that witnesses who were within feet of the killing weren’t called to testify before the WC?

    2. Every staff member at Parkland stated there was a GAPING hole in the rear of his head, yet the photos from Bethesda show a perfectly intact rear head. And why was the body taken illegally from Parkland where an autopsy by qualified pathologists could have been done? Instead it was whisked away to Bethesda and two doctors with no experience in forensic pathology performed the autopsy on the murderer of the century.

    3. How is it that the man who is accused of blowing the president’s head off in broad daylight is interrogated for 12 hours and there are no tapes or recorded notes? I’m not in law enforcement but this doesn’t seem like standard procedure to me. And then of all the people who walk into the basement of the DPD and shoot Oswald in front of live TV just happens to be a strip club owner with mob ties that half the police force knows and frequent his strip club.

    whose strip club caters to half the police force

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